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Accepted Unban.

Discussion in 'Archive' started by Ketteii, Sep 13, 2017.

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  1. Ketteii

    Ketteii Member

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    SourceBans Ban URL: Not sure exactly what this link is referring to, but: https://bans.panda-community.com/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=Kettei&Submit=Search seems to be the link?
    Name of your Banned Steam Account: T.w² | Ketteii
    Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:51455103
    Date and Time of the Ban: 09-12-17 21:56
    Reason about the Ban: Teamkilling.
    Admin that Banned you: Luigi123.
    Why should you receive a unban for the ban / gag / mute: I was reported for teamkilling (https://www.panda-community.com/threads/team-kill.13964/). I find that the situation based off the screenshot does not depict the instance completely. My own image shows a bit more of the situation, right afterwards by about ten seconds (https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....598/FA65E6D72FA484D64B064FDE522386F4576358B5/).

    A basic premise that can be reasonably assumed. I am obviously not a player who joins the servers to disrupt them. I join the servers to deliver originality to BLU team wardening, which is a thing that seems to be dead in this day and age's TF2 Jailbreak.

    A few questions arise on the situation;

    Why would I heal, then hit, then heal, then hit, then kill a heavy? If I was a teamkiller, wouldn't I just swing twice and kill him? That's the most effective way to kill.
    This is addressed in the report - I was building uber, and as everyone knows, uber builds faster when not operating on overheal. So, the immediate thought is - why would I kill someone on whom I'm still building uber? I obviously wasn't trying to. It was accidental.

    Another question - why in the hell did the heavy whom I'm healing (yoyoyaso2222) jump off the raised area, and take fall damage? If you look at the two screenshots, you can see that the area of death is an area in which increased fall damage can occur (off the upper wall area). The heavy whom I had been healing had jumped off, gone below the 200+ health that he had had prior to jumping (remember the mark from a critted Ubersaw hit is 195), and died from my Ubersaw swing. Why would I purposely kill him in such a manner, instead of just swinging twice? Point is, I obviously was not trying to kill him.

    Why doesn't he say 'stop hitting me, you might kill me if I fall?' Why doesn't he say 'stop hitting me, it's BLU freehitting' or something along those lines? Instead, after his death, he says 'I can still report you for blue teamhitting, you know.'

    The full dialogue went something like this, and can be seen in these two screenshots (). All marked by asterisk(*) are over mic.
    "Uber yourself." - In order to begin regenerating the next Uber. This is commonly done to farm Ubers on Strange Weapons.
    I Uber, it runs out, whack him twice, heal him. At this point, we're above Disco, running past Nine Square, and he's at around 210 HP. The reason I'm not safing (hitting when there's no chance of him dying, overhealing, hitting again) is in order to maximize uber afterwards and not have to click multiple times. He jumps at ~210 hp, lands at 180 (according to him), and I hit him immediately, killing him. Why would he jump when he knows I'm hitting him? To purposely try and get a report on me. At no point does he say to stop hitting him prior to death.
    "screen shotted"
    "fall damage, thanks a lot"
    "I had 180 health before fall damage"
    "You had 210, not 180."*
    "yeah no"
    "Yes you did, I saw it."*
    "btw I can still report u for blu freehitting ya know"

    Why didn't he tell me to stop prior to the death? Why did he say after death, "I can report for free hitting?" Obviously, he wasn't trying to get a report for freehitting? He was rooting for a report on a teamkill, purposely going to this admittedly minor length in order to get a bigger punishment on me.

    I feel like it's not just to harshly punish someone who's obviously not trying to be a negative influence on the server, to a degree that a cancerous, harassing individual would be. I also feel that this report, and the act of allowing himself to be teamkilled was carried out with the intent of ruining my chances of becoming a server administrator, which is something that I had been expressing desire to become earlier on the server. My chances now are slim to none, with a ban for "teamkilling" on my record.

    Why am I web banned, not guardbanned? Why is it twelve hours, not something more moderate?
     
  2. iceviet

    iceviet Gameserver Admin
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    Tbh How could you report a teamkiller we just poor screenshots is just not effective when it comes to JB maybe for massive freekiller but small teaming is most of the time a situation that happend with something behind it. I don't realy think we should handle JB report like that anymore is stupid. It only capture that happend in that moment. not the hole situation people should get a demo instead of screenshots.
     
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    Someone archive this pls thx :)
    Edit: sorry apperently someone wants to keep talking about this :(
     
    #4 Poopface, Sep 13, 2017
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  5. Cryptic

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    Re-opened. Just because a ban/communication block expired, doesn't mean the appeal is no longer valid. This player's appeal should be accepted, due to the poor evidence provided. As Ice pointed out, a couple screenshots does not tell the entire story.

    If Luigi accepts this appeal, he can go on SourceBans, write a comment underneath his ban stating his appeal was accepted, and link the appeal. This notifies other Full Admins and prevents bans from stacking up.
     
  6. Poopface

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    Ah right, sorry didnt think about that
     
  7. Cryptic

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    I just want to clarify that screenshots can make good evidence; however, it only works well in certain cases, not all. In this case, I'm arguing that the one screenshot the reporter provided is not enough evidence for team-killing.
     
  8. yoyoyaso2222

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    So I will give my reply

    Yes it's true that you don't disrupt the server Always but you do bait quite often (airblasting a group of reds) and sometimes freekill.

    Yes that's what I meant not because there was a spy that backstabs blus when they aren't looking (he was behind us).

    As you can see in my your own screenshots I said: "I had 180 health before falling".

    I jumped to run away from you and try to be an active gaurd,also to purposely get a report on you as I just said I was running from you all of the round trying to be an active gaurd at the same time (I don't even have a grudge against this player).

    Same as above running away while trying to be an active gaurd.

    Last point I am not thinking of you stop healing me while I run away from you (and jumping).

    That sums up my reply.

    Note:Also do you really think chasing me around the map is a good idea?
     
  9. TBotV63

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    Don't you think it's kind of stupid and counterproductive to try to bait people into doing things that you can report them for?
     
  10. yoyoyaso2222

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    Clearly running and trying to get away from them is baiting them?
     
  11. TBotV63

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    Also I agree with what ice said at the beginning of this.
     
  12. yoyoyaso2222

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    @TBotV63@TBotV63 You misunderstood that well I guess i should rephrase that
    "to get a report on me" really thats just wrong as I don't have a grudge against you and I was trying to be an active gaurd while running away from you.
    That's what i meant to say sorry for not clarifying.
     
  13. Ketteii

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    I've never airblasted more than two reds at one instance with the intent of freehitting, baiting, or whatever it may be. The vast majority of the time they're Heavy Weapon Guys or Soldiers who are falling behind the group. The vast majority of the time, they are 100% okay with me airblasting them a bit ahead so they don't get killed by neophyte BLUs. I also airblast to help Heavy Weapon Guys so they aren't killed for delaying, when they're in areas that they cannot continue past. For example, Chretien's obstacle course long jump. If they have a problem with it, they can go ahead and tell me to stop, and I will.

    I never freekill. Again, the majority of instances are accidental, or from people talking over me as a warden. I'm occasionally very sneaky with being a warden. In addition, I always either slay myself, or swap teams for a round or two, then rejoin. There was one instance in which I was unable to swap teams due to being the only BLU who had half a clue of what they're doing.

    I didn't see the Spy. Why say 'Pop the Uber,' and not 'Spy behind us?'

    You had somewhere around. Not 180. Your word, from my perspective an individual trying to chase a stronger case on me, means nothing.

    You were trying to be an active guard when there's one RED left. Don't lie to push a case. It'll fuck you over.

    If you were running the entire round, why the hell didn't you just say 'Stop please, we need to be proper BLUs for the remainder of the round,' instead of running from a class that is faster than you, the slowest class in the game. Again, don't lie to push a case.

    If you could outrun a Medic, then yes, I'd believe this. You weren't able to, so I don't believe you.

    So, you're actively running away from me, avoiding me so that you don't die, and trying to actively be an active BLU, and you're not thinking of running away from me? This sentence doesn't make sense.
     
  14. yoyoyaso2222

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    Even if you only did 2 reds at one instance (I saw you do more) also it doesn't matter if they are ok or if you are trying to help them it counts as baiting and will result in a ban for baiting even if you didn't have bad intent,In areas they can't continue you still can't airblast them it's the warden's responsibility to handle it for example: say make half of obby then go back,One last thing if you helped them pass long jumps wouldn't that mean you have to go through obby which would result in mass bait as going into red minigames when it is active or reds doing it.

    Was there 1 red the entire round? also you have to be active after lr too as the last red can rebel.

    This is the only arguement which I can say is my fault I should have said stop.

    One word short cuts.

    I said: "I am not thinking of you stop healing me while I run away from you (and jumping)" Which means I wasn't thinking of you stop healing me Because I was focused on running and jumping.
     
  15. Luigi123

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    I add a comment underneath his ban.

    Accepted, Closed and Moved.
     
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