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Declined Server mute/gag unban request

Discussion in 'Archive' started by AkramTheReaperPanda, Apr 15, 2018.

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  1. AkramTheReaperPanda

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    SourceBans Ban URL: Click here

    Name of your Banned Steam Account: Pathfinder

    Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:52506623

    Date and Time of the Ban: 11th of February 2017 20:38

    Reason about the Ban: Insults

    Admin that Banned you: The Death Stalker

    Why should you receive a unban for the ban / gag / mute:
    - More than 1 year and 2 months passed since the ban.
    - I won't insult players on the servers again.

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    Answers for expected questions:
    Q: .Do you regret it?
    A: No, i do not.
    Q: You said last time that you won't do it again.
    A: No, i did not. I said i will try my best not to insult players on the server, and i did my best.
    Q: Why should we believe you?
    A: There is no reason to, since you don't know me.
    Q: What would be different this time?
    A: I won't insult out of respect for someone that banned players harrassing me when i was muted. And this time, i said it explicitly, that i won't insult. Also, many things change in a year.
    Q: What do you think should happen if you insult players again?
    A: A perma ban with no chance of appeal.

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    The summons:
    @The Death Stalker@The Death Stalker (Banning admin).
    @EvoWarrior5@EvoWarrior5 (Cause you were involved each time).
    @Evert@Evert @Gardevoir@Gardevoir @fanthom@fanthom (Server admins).
     
  2. AkramTheReaperPanda

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    1st is another ban that was lifted, issued by you and is the one i mentioned above.
    2nd, 3rd, 4th are not appeals but an inquiery to why i was muted.
    5th is an unrelated ban for using !call while being muted and having an admin on server. It was also an inquiery not an appeal, which is also mentioned in the topic.
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    What are these decent and indecent respects?
     
  3. Jim

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    Also last on Panda forums 18 weeks ago...
     
  4. fanthom

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    :kappa:
    Also communicating via name changes, Death Stalker originally planned on banning Akram for it, but he didnt found any time for it.
     
  5. AkramTheReaperPanda

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    Why?
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    If it is to prove that i insult people, then :
    a. Those are private conversations on steam, not from the server. Sadly i talked to you back then as somewhat of a friend, but it was my mistake to trust you.
    b. Those are from more than a half a year.
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    If it is about changing names, then:
    a. It was months ago.
    b. i used it rarely and mostly to say "hi" back to people who said "hi" to me since i don't like ignoring people or to tell them i am muted.
    c. I stopped doing it as soon as Miro warned me.
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    Tl;dr: i broke a rule months ago a few times, got a warning, stopped doing it. And Fanthom's comment is manipulative.
     
  6. Magglet

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    Just out of interest. You have clearly portrayed that you really don't seem to regret what you did. Its kinda of weird to me that you think you deserve an unban or expect the community to allow that. When you clearly don't care about it. You don't regret it, you agree you broke the rules, and the previous times you agreed you wouldn't do it again. If you can't control yourself to not insult then should you really be given the chance?

    I speak from experience I have a rather bad record myself but I actually care about my actions when insulting players.
     
  7. AkramTheReaperPanda

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    I'll devide your comment:
    Yeah, i don't regret it. I knew it will gain me extra points to pretend that i do, but my pride and values can't allow me to say that.
    I stated above why in "Why should you receive a unban for the ban / gag / mute:"
    Wrong assumption. I care about this community more than most people around here. I stuck around since 2013, and tried many times helping and making it better. Usually with suggestion. I have some here and some on my other accounts which i can't access thanx to using a wrong email.
    It's because i don't agree with those rules. I still think those people deserved those insults. And they surely don't remember it, so why should i regret it?
    Time, not times, no S here. And i answered that above in the "What would be different this time?"
    Another wrong assumption based on the ban itself which is more than a year ago.
    You should focus more on not making wrong assumptions about people.
     
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    If he never warned me, then how did i know it's you who told him about it? hm? you proved it yourself with "your" screenshot.
     
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    Yes, great logic. Gets permed for insulting. Changes name to continue insulting. Then insults the admin to another well know player and refuses to apologise or regret breaking the community he plays on rules. Then he further continues to be rude in his "appeal" to get ungagged. Is it just me or do you understand how toxic you are being.
     
  11. AkramTheReaperPanda

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    Where are the insults in those names? hm? And i already talked in details about the names situation. And even included a tl;dr in case it's too long to read.
    And you have no right to talk about the private messages. No one here is accountable for what they say on steam. Since when do we have rules about private steam messages as well? why don't you just go check my facebook and whatsapp messages while you're at it?
    And what part of my post is rude? Is it the lack of the apology? I already explained why i didn't include any in why. Are you going to turn this into one of those discussion that keep going in circles with no point?
    And it is just you. So stop taking this personally.
     
  12. The Death Stalker

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    Thanks @fanthom@fanthom for letting me know about this thread here.

    I have been out of touch for a long time, but as far as this appeal is concerned I am leaning towards a decline here. Look, the whole point of perm comm blocks is to give you a long period of time to think over your actions so that you can look back at things with a cool head and finally realize that there are always much better options available than resorting to base insulting. You can talk it over with the offender, or if you are genuinely getting offended and the other person doesn't stop, you always go for a !call on the server and a report to the forums if that doesn't get handled.

    Now that I have explained the point of why I blocked you, I am not gonna bring back any past incidents. I am just gonna look at this appeal right here and frankly, it doesn't show me what I wanted to see. Your attitude towards the situation remains arguably the same. You say that you won't insult again, but you won't regret having insulted either. Knowing that you regret having insulted, or at least that you learnt from your mistakes in the past, is what I wanted to see in this appeal. You say you know it would be what would make the appeal succeed (and I applaud your honesty in this regard) but you say that it is not possible for you to see that you are in the wrong because you did what you did out of pride, and that you are not 'man enough' to swallow that pride and look back on things with a clearer perspective. You are entitled to your pride as a person in this world, but that pride doesn't extend so far so as to give you a free ticket to insult people just because you felt like it at the time. It's natural to get angry, and insults are common in a state of anger; that's why we warn you first before we block you. A civilized person will get angry (that's natural after all), but he'll always hold in that inner barbarian that resorts to raw manifestations of that anger. Anger leads to nothing good, which is why you are always expected to finish it off as soon as things get hairy. When you insult, you do exactly the opposite of that and that only leads to future grudges. Holy cow that's enough of this lecture.

    In short, I don't see the basic purpose of the block as having been achieved. Hence, as the ex-admin of the server who registered the perm block on the appellant, I am afraid I must DECLINE this appeal.
     
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