Hi, over the years we've added some new maps and some seem to be disliked off the bat and forgotten, complex and servilive are two such maps.
jb_complex_b6
This is a map I used to be a fan of however as I've played the map more its shortcomings become much more apparent.
Problems with the map
Rebelling
The biggest issue that I haven't seen talked about in any of complex's previous removal suggestion is how garbage the map is to rebel on. The map has three ammo spots and one "mega secret". The ammo spot with the no homgineer is pathetic, it drops a non respawning small ammopack despite taking a decent amount of time to get to and being a fairly noisy and open ammospot. The singular armory entrance by theater is fine enough although I've seen a lot of people miss it. The final ammospot is a small underground weapon stash with no indication as to where it would be, but the biggest sin that spot completes is that when you leave it you are brought right into the main cell area, next to armory. The "mega secret" is actually just a few seconds of crits that will teleport you next to armory once you get it, it doesn't even give you ammo and is probably the most underwhelming secret in jailbreak period.
Minigames
The map is mostly just your typical copy/paste jailbreak minigames (fall game, 9square, crush game, sweeper. When your map's signature game is a variation of awp dodge (which an objectively better version is on carcerem), you need a better game lineup. Many of the maps games also suffer from not being restartable while still allowing reds to press the start/stop buttons, this is most prevelent on the sweeper. The disco music is also barely audible which makes me sad...
Visuals
There hasn't been much to say here that hasn't been said already, complex is bland and it's hdr while not as bad as a certain other map we have here gives the fences and weapons an ugly white sheen
TLDR
Complex was added because it was a functional map in a time where we didn't have a lot of those, but now I think being just functional shouldn't be what gets you a spot on rotation, this map serves no purpose other than to be rtv'd so people can go back to hop and mlcastle faster. It should be noted that despite being in rotation for 3 years the map is still only the 30th most played map on panda which is pathetic.
Map Addition Thread
Replace Complex with Quake by Human
Remove Complex by dr. Meatloaf
Remove Complex by Ian
jb_servilive_hw_v1c
Servilive is a weird map in terms of history, what started out as a weird hispanic jailbreak map with stolen games, eventually got translated by a bunch of ex-outpost community jb players to create a semi-exclusive map for their (now defunct) jb community. The end result is interesting.
Problems with the map
Minigames
Servilive's minigames are really weird, there's a lot of copy/paste minigames and I don't mean the filler copy/paste (which this map has plenty of) I mean straight up copy/pasted from other jailbreak maps which is just not right. The rest of the minigames are the already addressed filler, or multiple versions of the same game (fall guys and sweeper).
Visuals
I think this screenshot speaks for itself. It should be noted the map also has an improperly set up hdr which causes the map to be really bright.
TLDR
The map is just an ugly filler map with meh minigames, it's not really outstanding in any way. It's been in rotation for roughly 2 years and is ranked 41st on hlstats which is on par with complex.
Map Addition Thread
Both of these maps tend to be rtv bait so people can return to their beloved hop, mlcastle, supermario loop faster, and if the server does manage to stick on them it usually bleeds players on both. Removing both of these maps would be a benefit to the server
jb_complex_b6
This is a map I used to be a fan of however as I've played the map more its shortcomings become much more apparent.
Problems with the map
Rebelling
The biggest issue that I haven't seen talked about in any of complex's previous removal suggestion is how garbage the map is to rebel on. The map has three ammo spots and one "mega secret". The ammo spot with the no homgineer is pathetic, it drops a non respawning small ammopack despite taking a decent amount of time to get to and being a fairly noisy and open ammospot. The singular armory entrance by theater is fine enough although I've seen a lot of people miss it. The final ammospot is a small underground weapon stash with no indication as to where it would be, but the biggest sin that spot completes is that when you leave it you are brought right into the main cell area, next to armory. The "mega secret" is actually just a few seconds of crits that will teleport you next to armory once you get it, it doesn't even give you ammo and is probably the most underwhelming secret in jailbreak period.
Minigames
The map is mostly just your typical copy/paste jailbreak minigames (fall game, 9square, crush game, sweeper. When your map's signature game is a variation of awp dodge (which an objectively better version is on carcerem), you need a better game lineup. Many of the maps games also suffer from not being restartable while still allowing reds to press the start/stop buttons, this is most prevelent on the sweeper. The disco music is also barely audible which makes me sad...
Visuals
There hasn't been much to say here that hasn't been said already, complex is bland and it's hdr while not as bad as a certain other map we have here gives the fences and weapons an ugly white sheen
TLDR
Complex was added because it was a functional map in a time where we didn't have a lot of those, but now I think being just functional shouldn't be what gets you a spot on rotation, this map serves no purpose other than to be rtv'd so people can go back to hop and mlcastle faster. It should be noted that despite being in rotation for 3 years the map is still only the 30th most played map on panda which is pathetic.
Map Addition Thread
Replace Complex with Quake by Human
Remove Complex by dr. Meatloaf
Remove Complex by Ian
jb_servilive_hw_v1c
Servilive is a weird map in terms of history, what started out as a weird hispanic jailbreak map with stolen games, eventually got translated by a bunch of ex-outpost community jb players to create a semi-exclusive map for their (now defunct) jb community. The end result is interesting.
Problems with the map
Minigames
Servilive's minigames are really weird, there's a lot of copy/paste minigames and I don't mean the filler copy/paste (which this map has plenty of) I mean straight up copy/pasted from other jailbreak maps which is just not right. The rest of the minigames are the already addressed filler, or multiple versions of the same game (fall guys and sweeper).
Visuals
I think this screenshot speaks for itself. It should be noted the map also has an improperly set up hdr which causes the map to be really bright.
TLDR
The map is just an ugly filler map with meh minigames, it's not really outstanding in any way. It's been in rotation for roughly 2 years and is ranked 41st on hlstats which is on par with complex.
Map Addition Thread
Both of these maps tend to be rtv bait so people can return to their beloved hop, mlcastle, supermario loop faster, and if the server does manage to stick on them it usually bleeds players on both. Removing both of these maps would be a benefit to the server
