Declined <JB> Oranger downgrade or removal (1 Viewer)

[shmeed]

The map oranger has a lot of things that make unique and an XD RANDOM map to play on with all the random events that have a chance to happen. Some of these are fun to play with, some of them are literally pointless (button that kills you), and some of them impact the game in a harmful way. The one specifically I'm talking about is the explosive barrels.

For anyone not in the loop, oranger features several props around the map that when they are meleed or shot blow up. The most recent update added them in 2 particularly nasty spots, being blue armory and on the line in front of cells.

These barrels offer borderline no actual benefit to the maps and only serve for bad actors to grief their teammates, freekill, or put reds in places where a lot of people will likely get teamkilled. The newest barrels are particularly bad about this. The one in armory are in prime position to get shot right at round start, team killing blues running out of spawn. The barrels that spawn on the line are by far the worst offenders on the map, not even appearing until after something is activated, potentially causing wardens unaware of the barrels that spawn there to tell reds to afk hugging a glorified deathrun trap.

Another gripe I have with this map, although it is not as bad as the barrels, is the Bosnian event that spawns landmines all over the map. While not as bad as the barrels since the explosion is more concentrated and can’t be activated by being shot, it still serves no real purpose other than disrupting the round and getting people unnecessarily killed. There isn’t any fun situations or new strats for red/blue for this event, it just makes it so people who aren’t aware of how the event works are killed.

I don’t think the outright removal of the map is necessary, but I do think something needs to be done regarding these issues. My first, but frankly most unreasonable, suggestion is the have the map maker update the map to have these features removed. This might not be possible since the map maker could be busy or just not want to update the map to remove something they worked hard on. My second suggestion is to downgrade the map to a previous version that did not contain the barrels in armory and on the line in front of cells, as well as not including the Bosnian event. Lastly, if this isn’t possible for some reason, the map could just be outright removed. This would be a worst case scenario, since a lot of people are big fans of this map.

 

[Gale]

I think these events is what makes oranger voted for and so beloved at the moment. Its the pure chaos. So people are aware, the barrels only spawn a % of the time and only reds can trigger it once they touch said sign. Bosnian day is very rare and very fun. I think it's extremely funny to see people run into landmines not expecting them, they haven't non frequently which in my eyes makes it fair enough. They're part of the identity of the map and I think that's what makes it charming and why I vote for it. I like random aspects that make every round different and not a slog.

 

[solid soirb]

so basically remove everything that makes oranger oranger ok fuck off

Seriously though, these are just fun events that are meant to make rounds less stale. Don't like barrels? Shoot them or don't get near them. The button? Don't press it. Tripmines???? Be aware of your surroundings. There isn't a reason to remove these. You literally just have to avoid them. The barrels at the lol noob sign can be annoying, but they barely show up.

Voting don't change.

 

[salguod]

i've been tk'd by the barrels in blue spawn multiple times before, its funny every time

 

[dimitree]

Lowkey get it from a balance point of view.

But its what makes it less like other jb maps and more like a random gimicky map which is what makes it fun to play.

 

[shmeed]

I think these events is what makes oranger voted for and so beloved at the moment. Its the pure chaos. So people are aware, the barrels only spawn a % of the time and only reds can trigger it once they touch said sign. Bosnian day is very rare and very fun. I think it's extremely funny to see people run into landmines not expecting them, they haven't non frequently which in my eyes makes it fair enough. They're part of the identity of the map and I think that's what makes it charming and why I vote for it. I like random aspects that make every round different and not a slog.

Yeah it’s funny to watch someone get blown up, but it’s not funny to be that guy who know has to spectate for 8 minutes just because you walked in the wrong spot. It’s also a well know fact that if a red can fuck over their team they absolutely will 100% of the time. Saying “well the reds just shouldn’t hit the button” is about as effective as telling people killing is kos on ff on all day.

 

[solid soirb]

Lowkey get it from a balance point of view.

But its what makes it less like other jb maps and more like a random gimicky map which is what makes it fun to play.

This. Oranger is fun because it isn't like any other map. It has fun random events so it's never stale, and that's what makes oranger oranger. Its random, you cant predict what will happen, and that's its strongest selling point.

 

[shmeed]

i've been tk'd by the barrels in blue spawn multiple times before, its funny every time

Yeah it’s funny, but it also is guard bannable, as yours truly learned the hard way.

 

[solid soirb]

Yeah it’s funny to watch someone get blown up, but it’s not funny to be that guy who know has to spectate for 8 minutes just because you walked in the wrong spot. It’s also a well know fact that if a red can fuck over their team they absolutely will 100% of the time. Saying “well the reds just shouldn’t hit the button” is about as effective as telling people killing is kos on ff on all day.

Counterpoint: The barrels at lol noob barely ever happen, and when they show up its usually one round. Every other barrel is easy to dodge.

 

[shmeed]

so basically remove everything that makes oranger oranger ok fuck off

Seriously though, these are just fun events that are meant to make rounds less stale. Don't like barrels? Shoot them or don't get near them. The button? Don't press it. Tripmines???? Be aware of your surroundings. There isn't a reason to remove these. You literally just have to avoid them. The barrels at the lol noob sign can be annoying, but they barely show up.

Voting don't change.

If the thing that makes a map what it is is chaos and punishing people who don’t understand concepts of an unusual map on this already very complex gamemode, maybe that’s the problem. I don’t think all the events should be removed, I’m a big fan of quite a few of them (especially that one that floods the map), but these aspect of it specifically don’t really benefit anyone and server only to make the map more hostile and frustrating.

As well, telling people to “just don’t walk there!” isn’t really an argument, since a majority of the people on the server don’t have much of a choice where to walk without getting shot.

 

[solid soirb]

If the thing that makes a map what it is is chaos and punishing people who don’t understand concepts of an unusual map on this already very complex gamemode, maybe that’s the problem. I don’t think all the events should be removed, I’m a big fan of quite a few of them (especially that one that floods the map), but these aspect of it specifically don’t really benefit anyone and server only to make the map more hostile and frustrating.

As well, telling people to “just don’t walk there!” isn’t really an argument, since a majority of the people on the server don’t have much of a choice where to walk without getting shot.

you learn the things after like 5 rounds and you can easily walk around them and the blus will understand

 

[Expired]

The wonderlandization of panda is becoming more and more real by the day

 

[ItsNotCalassic]

Honestly i agree. I believe we should only keep basic versions of maps and not update them ever.

 

[shmeed]

The wonderlandization of panda is becoming more and more real by the day

What

 

[solid soirb]

Honestly i agree. I believe we should only keep basic versions of maps and not update them ever.

infact, revert to the original orange map and revert the rest to their first version and previous non remastered version

 

[Mehgend]

this dude went from saying "i would play wonderland if they didnt play only 3 maps" to suggesting something that could include removing one of the more played maps in rotation in like 45 minutes. Is this a joke what are we doing here

 

[shmeed]

Honestly i agree. I believe we should only keep basic versions of maps and not update them ever.

Excellent strawman my friend, I too dabble in logical fallacies.

I’m not saying remove every random event or little thing that’s scattered around the map, the suggestion is to remove AT MOST 1 event and a feature that serves real purpose and only leads to griefing. Frankly, my real gripe is with the barrels located inside armory and the one that spawns in the line, as those are the ones that cause the majority of problems.

 

[Kron]

I'm voting to do nothing with it.

The randomness adds to the fun and charm of oranger as a map, and I feel like without it would lose quite a bit of its appeal to the playerbase.

 

[solid soirb]

Excellent strawman my friend, I too dabble in logical fallacies.

I’m not saying remove every random event or little thing that’s scattered around the map, the suggestion is to remove AT MOST 1 event and a feature that serves real purpose and only leads to griefing. Frankly, my real gripe is with the barrels located inside armory and the one that spawns in the line, as those are the ones that cause the majority of problems.

Excellent ability to see jokes my friend, I too dabble in recognizing when someone isnt being serious

 

[Nergal Nergalton]

Removing Oranger would be a disfavor for this server.