Declined [JB] Miami's infamous Money Gathering DRs and possible ideas on how to manage them. (1 Viewer)

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So y'all know that Miami has a money mechanic in which REDs can run around the map and gather money from various sources. They can either do that (more easily) as a Freeday or as a Rebeller. Current rules are already stating that Rebellers must be actively rebelling (aka hunting BLUs to murder) otherwise they are considered to be delaying the round and therefore can be ghosted to then kill. Freedays can generally do whatever they want but in the case that they are the last remaining they can also be killed had a DR been given and completed already. (As far as my understanding of the rules go.)

So here's my proposition: let's just either forbid or discourage "Money Gathering" DRs.

A lot of people already have a heavy dislike on the map and one of the reasons I see being shared most often is that the money mechanic is bad and it generally ends up delaying rounds unnecessarily. That reasoning is valid as it *technically* isn't against the rules. Personally, however, I consider it as delaying especially seeing as other minigames can be done. Also, the RED will (most likely) die at the end of the DR either way and I haven't met many BLUs willing to give the LR winner their money back on the start of the following round; effectively wasting the DR in itself. An argument can be made that killing REDs is part of how BLUs get their money but to that I will remind people to make REDs play minigames and that in reality BLUs have the easier way to make money -- by simply existing.

So... I decided to give my idea a little test run for the last few times Miami was voted on and actually played, As far as I could observe, the playerbase at the time seemed to be less annoyed by Miami after I started proposing the idea to my LR winners. It is also important to note that the majority of REDs seemed to understand my reasoning once I explained it to them and generally were amiable to change their DRs to something else. Another thing I'd like to address is that I remember being told by Admins that Gambling isn't a minigame and therefore couldn't really be done as a DR but I'm unsure of who said it or if I'm remembering wrong.

So! On that note I wanted to open the floor to everyone else and hear their thoughts on it. Have at it! :D

Sidenote: I don't necessarily want a rule change but I did feel like this was something important-ish to talk about. :s
 
If you want to combat this, I think reworking the DR section of the rules to explicitly mention what is allowed is a much better option than a hyper specific rule applicable on only one map
 
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DRs are supposed to be flexible. DR timer countdown starts when lr is given. Make sure to strictly enforce that, They will get, at most. 2 minutes of time to collect money if anything. But like, how much can you actually get within 2 minutes right.
People will just pick freeday and collect money that way. So having it as a dr is a pretty much non issue imo.
 
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Arent there rules that require the red to die in someway in the DR?

How does a red die while doing “money gathering” other than waiting for the DR timer?

From my understanding, just decline the DR.
 
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If you want to combat this, I think reworking the DR section of the rules to explicitly mention what is allowed is a much better option than a hyper specific rule applicable on only one map
Yeah I agree, didn't think of this angle when writting the original post.


DRs are supposed to be flexible. DR timer countdown starts when lr is given. Make sure to strictly enforce that, They will get, at most. 2 minutes of time to collect money if anything. But like, how much can you actually get within 2 minutes right.
People will just pick freeday and collect money that way. So having it as a dr is a pretty much non issue imo.
Depending on the RED, you can get 2000 somewhat easily. The main issue is that unless they got Insurance they only keep 40 or 30% of their money after death. Comparing that to Freedays isn't really how I'd go tbh?


Arent there rules that require the red to die in someway in the DR?

How does a red die while doing “money gathering” other than waiting for the DR timer?

From my understanding, just decline the DR.
Pretty much what I was doing already as stated in the initial post.
 
Depending on the RED, you can get 2000 somewhat easily. The main issue is that unless they got Insurance they only keep 40 or 30% of their money after death. Comparing that to Freedays isn't really how I'd go tbh?
Exactly, most of the time they won't keep over half the money the collect in the time. It's pretty much a non issue.
 
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Exactly, most of the time they won't keep over half the money the collect in the time. It's pretty much a non issue.
Piggybacking off of this, this feels like a non-issue as wardens should be strictly following the two minute rule anyways.
 
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