Declined [JB] False Orders 2 (1 Viewer)

[Dr. Meatloaf]

Hi Everybody,

I am proposing a rule change that would allow the warden to make false orders KOS. Recently the amount of people who have been giving false orders has increased and the amount of new players who fall for them and become salty has as well. I've also noticed that the regular people who tend to give false order often have also become more agressive even to the point of overtalking wardens, so my proposal is to simply allow wardens to restrict false orders to deal with them.

For a bit of background on this, there was a proposal regarding false orders about half a year ago which would have either made them against the rules entirely, or automatically KOS. The rationale here being that it leads to guards occasionally falling for them, and freekilling reds. This proposal failed and I voted against it too. I thought it was too extreme since it would essentially never allow false orders, though the vote was fairly split. https://www.panda-community.com/threads/jb-punishment-against-false-orders.32007/page-2 I think it's still important to deal with the issue though because as it stands wardens currently don't have any ability to actually deal with false orders apart from restricting all reds from talking for a period of time, and I think this is a good comprimise to deal with the issue.

My thought is that this would be placed in the Warden Rules section where it talks about restricting microphone access. (Though if admins want to add it differently that's fine.)

Spoiler: Rule Change

The Warden has the rights to request players to stay off the microphone to help himself giving clear orders, you can kill Red players talking through your orders if you give a warning first.
But you cannot restrict players to be muted for the entire round, you can request 30 seconds or the the [sic] entire start of the round to speak for yourself as Warden.
The Warden can restrict players from giving false orders using voice chat.
You as Warden can't restrict players from using the chat or force players to type in the chat. (Jeopardy/Kitchen Minigame is the only exception)

I added a poll and to make it simple I've made it so that the only options are to implement this or not. Although I know from the previous suggestion that there was substantial support for making false orders either against the rules or automatically KOS, I haven't added those options to the poll because I do not want to re-litigate the last suggestion. Please let me know if you have any other suggestions though.

 

[SirKrookodile]

this just... doesn't need a rule? You can already do this...

 

[Fairy]

i think you are already allowed to do this as far as i am aware, i dont see a reason to specifically add this to the rules.

 

[Dr. Meatloaf]

So I sort of thought we were allowed to do this too but an admin told me last night that I cannot restrict false orders. I'm not sure which admin. If this is already allowed could we still add something to clear up confusion? If not I guess it's good to know that we can maybe do this anyway.

 

[Fairy]

So I sort of thought we were allowed to do this too but an admin told me last night that I cannot restrict false orders. I'm not sure which admin. If this is already allowed could we still add something to clear up confusion if we are allowed to do this already? If not I guess it's good to know that we can maybe do this anyway.

i will ask internally what the state of this rule currently is, then ill get back to you

if it isnt allowed i will keep this suggestion open, otherwise ill close it

 

[_Black]

So I sort of thought we were allowed to do this too but an admin told me last night that I cannot restrict false orders. I'm not sure which admin. If this is already allowed could we still add something to clear up confusion? If not I guess it's good to know that we can maybe do this anyway.

Reds off mic for 30 seconds. Everyone speaking is kos.

 

[Fairy]

after discussing internally this is my response

As Mentioned in the Rules:

The Warden has the rights to request players to stay off the microphone to help himself giving clear orders, you can kill Red players talking through your orders if you give a warning first.

reds giving false orders is a part of preventing the warden from giving clear orders, therefor the warden is allowed to restrict giving false orders.
(reminder that blues are not allowed to give false orders at all and this can get them teambanned, if they do so feel free to use !calladmin)


will be declining this suggestion due to this already being allowed,

it was @Pure whom told you otherwise but due to him being a trial and it not clearly being stated in the ruleset its a simple mistake. in the future feel free to restrict false orders by reds