[FF2] MAJOR Update Suggestion (1 Viewer)

[Macko]

This is a suggestion post regarding some gameplay/hale changes that I think need changing which would benefit the Freak Fortress 2 server. This isn`t a voting post, voting post will we available in 2-3 days so that everyone can write down their personal opinions on the changes and how they would tweak them depending on their experience, everyones ideas will be analysed and I`ll post fixes down below. This post will hit character limit so I`ll have to separate it into 2 possibly 3 parts (the post itself and 1-2 comments below).

I Classes

SCOUT
-Reduce knockback from Force-a-Nature`s blast by 33%
-Reduce Sandman`s stun by 2 seconds
-Increase Sandman`s recharge time by 2 seconds
-Increase Wrap Assassin`s recharge time by 4 seconds
-Reduce jump height whilst using Force-a-Nature and BFB by 15%
-Reduce Winger`s jump height boost to 15% rather than 25%
-Reduce Winger`s ammo carrying capacity by 4
-Reduce jump height whilst using Atomizer by 5%
-Increase Mad Milk`s recharge time by 3 seconds
-Reduce pistol (Classic, Lug, CAPPER) clip size by 3
+Increase pistol (Classic, Lug, CAPPER) ammo carrying capacity by 9
+Increase Winger`s clip size by 3
+Make Winger deal critical hits
+Increase Crit-a-Cola`s effect duration by 2 seconds
+Reduce Flying Guillotine`s recharge time by 1 second.
+Add an ability for pistol (Classic, Lug, CAPPER) to recharge Bonk! Atomic Punch by 1% of the current recharge time per 1 successful hit
SOLDIER
ROCKET JUMPER SOLUTION #1:
-Add 20 HitPoint self-damage
-Increase reload time by 33%
-Decrease ammo carrying capacity by 24
+Increase clip size by 1
ROCKET JUMPER SOLUTION #2:
-Add 9 HitPoint self-damage
-Increase reload time by 100%
-Decrease ammo carrying capacity by 40
ROCKET JUMPER SOLUTION #3:
-Remove Rocket Jumper
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-Decrease Market Gardener`s attack speed by 5%
-Increase Half-Zatoichi`s Honorbound self-damage factor by 5 HitPoints (10%)
-Add an ability where upon draining buff (Buff Banner, Battalion`s Backup, Concheror) rage, the player`s speed decreases by 20% for 4 seconds
-Add an ability where upon draining buff (Buff Banner, Battalion`s Backup, Concheror) rage, the player receives “Marked for Death” for 4 seconds
-Increase Black Box`s self-damage by 10%
-Decrease Black Box`s healing factor by 10 HitPoints
+Decrease Black Box`s reload time by 15%
+Increase Black Box`s rocket speed by 10%
+Increase Black Box`s clip size by 2
+Add an ability when whilst using Half-Zatoichi, player`s speed increases by 10%
+Add an ability where upon using Battalion`s Backup Buff, the player`s speed increases by 10% (Does stack with Half-Zatoichi)
PYRO
-Increase ammo cost per blast by 40
-Decrease health recovery time from healing sources (Dispenser, Medic) by 33%
-Decrease received health from other healing sources (Small, Medium, Large Health Pack) by 10%
-Increase self-damage from Flare Gun, Detonator and Scorch Shot by 5%
+Increase the player`s speed whilst using any shotgun by 18%
DEMOMAN
-Decrease Scottish Resistance`s number of stickybombs out at once by 3
+Add an ability where upon receiving a hit whilst using an active shield (not destroyed), instead of the shield taking a hit there is a 50% of transferring 20% of Hale`s hit damage to the player
+Add an ability where upon losing the shield, the player`s speed increases by 33% for 5 seconds and after that decreases by 10% of its original value for 2 seconds.
+Add an ability where upon hitting an enemy with Ullapool Caber, The Ullapool Caber keeps its original state and again further on
+Increase Frying Pan`s damage by 20%
HEAVY
+Increase the player`s speed by additional 10% with prior speed buff whilst using Family Business
+Increase speed buff duration upon a successful hit with Eviction Notice by additional second with prior speed buff duration
ENGINEER
-Reduce Pomson 6000`s damage by 15%
-Increase Launch Pad build time by 10%
-Reduce Sentry knockback by 15% (if impossible, check III Hales)
+Increase Rescue Ranger`s damage by 50%
MEDIC
-Decrease charge rate by 1%
-Decrease round start Übercharge amount by 10%
-Add an ability when whilst using Übersaw, the player receives “Marked for Death”
-Decrease the player`s health by 5 HitPoints while having Crusader`s Crossbow equipped
-Decrease Crusader`s Crossbow`s ammo carrying capacity by 12
-Decrease Solemn Vow`s attack speed by 10%
+Increase heal rate of all mediguns by 6%
+Increase the player`s speed while using Übersaw by 5%
+Add an ability for Solemn Vow to add 13% ÜberCharge upon successful hit
+Increase Solemn Vow`s damage by 33%
SNIPER
MELEE WALL CLIMB SOLUTION #1:
-Increase damage taken from wall climbing by 22
+Increase wall climb height by 9 Hammer Units
MELEE WALL CLIMB SOLUTION #2:
-Remove melee wall climb
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-Reduce Sniper Rifle damage multiplier factor from 3.0 to 2.5 (https://www.panda-community.com/threads/ff2-sniper-damage-and-knockback.29864/#post-141056)
-Reduce Sniper Rifle knockback by 66%
-Reduce SMG`s ammo carrying capacity by 15
-Reduce bow (Huntsman, Fortified Compound) prior damage bonus by 36%
+Increase SMG`s (also with Cozy Camper) damage by 10%
+Increase Kukri`s damage by 25%
SPY
-Increase stun lock upon successful backstab by 2 seconds
-Reduce Big Earner`s speed boost on backstab by 1 second
-Reduce Conniver`s Kunai backstab health absorption factor by 15%
-Reduce the player`s speed by 3% while using Conniver`s Kunai
-Reduce L`Etranger`s cloak charge on hit to 9% instead of 15%
-Reduce L`Etranger`s cloak duration to +30% instead of +40%
-Reduce cloak meter refill from ammo crates by 10%
+Increase L`Etranger`s damage by 5%
+Reduce Conniver`s Kunai health penalty by 5 HitPoints
+Increase the player`s health by 15 HitPoints while having Sharp Dresser equipped
+Increase Diamondback`s damage by 33%
+Make Big Kill deal critical hits (if not already implemented)
+Increase Big Kill`s damage by 50%

 

[Macko]

II The Legends
Saint Heffe
+Add Back Saint Heffe
-Reduce number of smites per rage by 1 (default is 3)
-Increase rage drain per wing flap by 0.4%
-Increase knockback from sentries by 25%
-Increase knockback from airblasts to 20%
+Keep standard 2 lives
+Life loss summons golden light beams (similar to sandvich)(~1764x1764 Hammer Units – radius) that stun both players and Heffe, makes Heffe invulnerable
+Rage stuns both players (radius of 3021 Hammer Units) and Heffe for Heffe to recite the whole Bible, receives 2 smites upon finishing the prayer, stuns sentries for 13 seconds (Prayer audio lasts around 11-12 seconds), receives 2 smites upon finishing the prayer
+Add an ability where upon using a smite (Middle Click), instead of instantly killing the closest player, Heffe must point at the ground (similar to Spyper`s Point Teleport) with maximum range of 2135 Hammer Units to call a Smite Beam which charges up for 2,7 seconds before releasing its energy in circle with radius (2r) of 465 Hammer Units, instantly vaporizing anyone who got caught in its blast radius
-Add smite cooldown of 10 seconds
+Add “Super” jump (Right Click/Crouch) of 352 Hammer Units
-Add “Super” jump cooldown of 8 seconds
-Add “Super” jump charge up time of 2.6 seconds
+Add WEIGHTDOWN! ability
-Add WEIGHTDOWN! cooldown of 4 seconds
+Increase speed by 10 Hammer Units
+Add Rage automatic increase during Last Man Standing by 0,5% per second
*Base Health (no players): 666 HitPoints per life
*Health per player: 578 HitPoints per life
*MAX Health (Full Server): 13960 HitPoints
*Total (+ 2nd Life): 27920 HitPoints
*Health loss required for Rage: 2666 HitPoints
*MAX Potential Rages: 10,47 ~ 10
*Base Damage: 202 HitPoints
*Backstab health loss: 1225 HitPoints
*Market Gardener health loss: 1001 HitPoints

CHUCK NORRIS
=-=Pushes the Earth by his mighty hands=-=
+Add Back Chuck Norris
-Reduce Chuck Norris`s Big Kill damage to 173 HitPoints (Constant per Hammer Units)
+Airblast knockback reduction 66%
+Sentry knockback reduction 5%
-Increase Rage drain whilst using Smackdown ability (Drastic movement speed and attack speed increase + knockback reduction of 33%) by additional 0,3% per second
-Require Chuck Norris to have a minimum of 50% rage in order to use his Smackdown ability (Middle Click)
+Keep “Super” jump HIGH (almost as same as Handsome Jack`s)(Right Click/R)
-Increase “Super” jump cooldown to 5,1 seconds instead of 4,7 seconds
+Decrease “Super” jump charge up time by 0,3 seconds
-Increase WEIGHTDOWN! cooldown to 9 seconds
+Add “Fear” effect onto sentries for 7 seconds upon activating rage
-Keep standard 1 life
+Add ”chuckle” audio upon being backstabbed
+Add Rage automatic increase during Last Man Standing by 1,2% per second
*Base Health (no players): 2575 HitPoints
*Health per player: 775 HitPoints
*TOTAL/MAX Health (Full Server): 20400 HitPoints
*Health loss required for Rage: 3200 HitPoints
*MAX Potential Rages: 6,375 ~ 6
*Base Damage: 202 HitPoints
*Backstab health loss: 1111 HitPoints
*Market Gardener health loss: 900 HitPoints

BUGS BUNNY
=-=What`s up doc=-=
+Add Back Bugs Bunny
+Reduce “Background” music audio by 10-15 dB
+Add “Duck Season” audio upon performing a “Super” jump (Yt: “Rabbit Season, Duck Season trilogy.”)
+Increase “Super” jump height by 75 Hammer Units
-Increase airblast knockback by 15%
-Increase sentry knockback by 20%
+Increase “Fear” effect onto sentries upon activating rage by 2,6 seconds
-Decrease model “invisibility” upon activating rage by 5%
+Add WEIGHTDOWN! ability (if not already implemented)
-Add WEIGHTDOWN! cooldown of 10 seconds
+Add “Grunt” audio upon being backstabbed (Yt: “Big Chungus original video.” 0:53/2:23)
-Keep standard 1 life
-Reduce Rage automatic increase during Last Man Standing to 0,5% per second
*Base Health (no players): 2200 HitPoints
*Health per player: 1120 HitPoints
*TOTAL/MAX Health (Full Server): 27960 HitPoints
*Health loss required for Rage: 3000 HitPoints
*MAX Potential Rages: 9,32 ~ 9
*Base Damage: 241 HitPoints
*Backstab health loss: 1394 HitPoints
*Market Gardener health loss: 1082 HitPoints

THE ROCK
+Add back the ability to “Explode” (RAM into) people in front of The Rock upon activating his rage
-Reduce “Explode” ability duration to 3 seconds
+Increase speed upon activating rage by additional 5%
+Reduce damage reduction upon activating rage by 5%
-Add an ability when upon finishing Rage, the player`s speed decreases by 7% of its original value prior to activating Rage
+Reduce sentry knockback by 10%
+Reduce “Super” jump cooldown by 1 second
-Increase “Super” jump charge up time by 0,3 seconds
-Add WEIGHTDOWN! cooldown of 5 seconds
+Reduce backstab health loss by 7%
+Reduce Market Gardener health loss by 2%
-Increase Health loss required for Rage by additional 60 HitPoints

GENTLE SPY
+Increase Revolver damage to 255 HitPoints (Constant per Hammer Units)
+Add WEIGHTDOWN! ability (if not already implemented)
-Add WEIGHTDOWN! cooldown of 6 seconds

 

[Macko]

III Hales
A HUMAN SENTRY BUSTER
+Decrease health loss required for Rage by 100 HitPoints
+Add an ability when upon finishing “Explosion Animation”, the player`s speed increases by 10% for 4 seconds
+Increase “Super” jump height by 35 Hammer Units
-Increase “Super” jump charge up time by 0,2 seconds
-Increase melee vulnerability by 10%

CUDDLY HEAVY
-Increase “Super” jump cooldown by 1,6 seconds
-Increase “Super” jump charge up time by 0,2 seconds

DEMOPAN
-Increase “Super” jump cooldown by 0,1 second
+Reduce “Super” jump charge up time by 0,3 seconds
-Increase Charge (Tide Turner) cooldown by 0,1 second
-Reduce “Fear” effect duration upon activating rage by 0,4 seconds

FEMALE PYRO
+Increase the player`s speed by 15% whilst using Flare Gun given through rage
-Reduce Melee weapon`s deploy and holster time by 7%
+Increase the player`s attack speed by 10% upon activating rage for 3 seconds

FOXY
+Increase the player`s speed by 8% upon activating rage for 4 seconds
-Reduce the player`s speed upon finishing the speed buff by 5% of its original value prior to activating rage for 2 seconds
-Reduce “Fear” effect duration on players by 0,4 seconds
+Add WEIGHTDOWN! ability
-Add WEIGHTDOWN! cooldown of 7 seconds

HOTLINE SNIPER
-Increase “Super” jump cooldown by 1,2 seconds
-Reduce “Fear” effect duration on players by 0,7 seconds
+Allow Hotline Sniper to receive critical hits upon taunting

THE MIMICER
+Allow The Mimicer to disguise upon landing a successful backstab (personally don’t know why this was removed)
-Set disguised Mimicer to “Über“ state of the backstabbed player`s class
+Make “Background” music even more unnerving

ZERSTORER
-Reduce “Explosion” rage radius by 10 Hammer Units
-Reduce rage received from airblast by 3 (8% or smth like that is default)
+Increase “Super” jump height by 60 Hammer Units
+Decrease Pomson 6000`s reload time by 33%
+Increase Pomson 6000`s damage by 20%

DEMONMAN
-Increase Jump “Spell” cooldown by 0,5 seconds
-Increase Jump “Spell” charge up time by 0,4 seconds
-Increase Teleport “Spell” cooldown by 1 second
-Increase Teleport “Spell” charge up time by 0,3 seconds
-Reduce Fireball`s (Rage) damage to 40-50 HitPoints instead of 50-60 Hitpoints

CHRISTIAN BRUTAL SNIPER
-Increase “Super” jump cooldown by 0,2 seconds
-Reduce “Fear” effect duration on players by 0,2 seconds

SEEMANxSEELDIER
+Reduce damage dealt to Seeman whilst performing “Explosion” rage by 50% (if not already implemented)
-Reduce “Fear” effect duration on players caused by Seeldier`s rage by 2 seconds
+Add an ability where upon activating rage, Seeldier receives 50% of Battalion`s Backup protection buff and 75% of Concheror`s speed buff (Soldier Original Speed is 240 Hammer Units per second [HU/s], Concheror`s buff raises it to 336 HU/s) that affects both Seeldier and minions in his vicinity (450 Hammer Units – RADIUS) which both equally last for 5 seconds
+Increase both Seeman and Seeldier`s health on Full Server by 750 HitPoints

Sentry Knockback
+Decrease Sentry knockback on specific hales by 15-25% depending on their previous knockback reductions from older update posts

 

[Macko]

Note: No voting post, this post will have a poll which will last 2-3 weeks (Kruphix decides) and it`ll give people opportunity to give their thoughts on changes. Ignore the 2-3 day period written on the start of the post

 

[Jiji]

I'm gonna be honest, the amount of suggested changes here is kinda overwhelming and a lot of them aren't really necessary. To me FF2 is somewhat fine in its current state, maybe there's a few bosses that require nerfs (e.g Zerstorer) and a few that require buffs (e.g Foxy) but there's no need to basically change the entire gamemode.

I definitely agree that something should be done to the Rocket Jumper, Sniper Knockback and Sentry Knockback though.

 

[Spam Goose]

I'm gonna be honest, the amount of suggested changes here is kinda overwhelming and a lot of them aren't really necessary. To me FF2 is somewhat fine in its current state, maybe there's a few bosses that require nerfs (e.g Zerstorer) and a few that require buffs (e.g Foxy) but there's no need to basically change the entire gamemode.

I definitely agree that something should be done to the Rocket Jumper, Sniper Knockback and Sentry Knockback though.

I didn't want to post anything since I haven't played FF2 in a hot minute but given I agree with a majority of the things you said I will.

In my personal opinion, a majority of these aren't needed and are bad for the gamemode as a whole.
Rocket jumper wasn't around when I played a lot so I won't talk about that, but a lot of the weapon nerfs will make people never use those weapons (example being the Wrap Assassin, all of scouts pistols, black box, banners, etc) and just seem extremely unnecessary. Some of the weapon buffs I'd be down for if it means they will see more use and actually be viable to use though. I do think Sniper knockback and some sentry knockback needs to happen though, (not too much where level 3 has barely any and only level 2 has knockback)
But I do agree with Kruphixx on the hale buffs/nerfs, especially on those who need it and not every single one. (Foxy I rarely saw ever)

 

[UberMedicFully]

I didn't want to post anything since I haven't played FF2 in a hot minute but given I agree with a majority of the things you said I will.

In my personal opinion, a majority of these aren't needed and are bad for the gamemode as a whole.
Rocket jumper wasn't around when I played a lot so I won't talk about that, but a lot of the weapon nerfs will make people never use those weapons (example being the Wrap Assassin, all of scouts pistols, black box, banners, etc) and just seem extremely unnecessary. Some of the weapon buffs I'd be down for if it means they will see more use and actually be viable to use though. I do think Sniper knockback and some sentry knockback needs to happen though, (not too much where level 3 has barely any and only level 2 has knockback)
But I do agree with Kruphixx on the hale buffs/nerfs, especially on those who need it and not every single one. (Foxy I rarely saw ever)

I can agree to all the previous replys (from @GooseDot and @Kruphixx )

Adding more bosses would just put up even more work and more downloads, also considering that we have like 6-7 bosses planned to add? Removing bosses needs to be done through suggestions unless a boss is really broken or barely functions. (saying this because, Kevin told me that he doesnt want too many bosses on the server so if you want more bosses added, then i suggest doing a suggestion to remove a certain boss or multiple that are barely being played *cough* foxy..)

There are only 3 things i would agree with:

Buffing Rocks mobility a bit.
nerfing Sniper which is tasked up btw
and perhaps reducing sentry knockback by a bit if thats possible somehow.

EDIT: forgot to mention that Zerstorer needs a nerf but thats his rage damage formula and perhaps the delay of his explosion upon activation

 

[Jiji]

Gonna close this thread as requested by @Macko.