Pending [Dodgeball] RTD Re-revamp (1 Viewer)

[Lighty]

Dodgeball has quite a few useless perks which don't fit the gamemode at all, so I suggest fixing or at least removing some of them.

• Scary Bullets
  • It does nothing.
  • FIX: Airblasted rocket scares anyone nearby it every second or two, enemy only.
• Infinite Ammo
  • It does nothing. Needs to be removed.
• Ignition
  • It does nothing.
  • FIX: Pyros don't burn, so forcing them to burn or just execute sm_burn on the player to burn them.
• Bad Sauce
  • Barely an annoyance, does nothing pretty much. Needs to be removed.
• Suffocation
  • Barely an annoyance, does nothing pretty much.
  • FIX: Make the effect last longer, it's too short to cause an annoyance, death or anything really. Otherwise needs to be removed.
• Outline
  • It does nothing, not even a fun perk. Needs to be removed.
• Fire Timebomb
  • It does nothing. The person that got it ends up blocking the enemy team because of it.
  • FIX: Same as ignition, but this time it burns the pyros that were close enough including the person that rolled the perk. The person that rolled the perk should also possibly make it look like they are damaging them (aka dealing damage).
• Necro Mash
  • Clients don't have the model and sounds in cache, so it causes a huge lagspike for whoever hasn't had it happen in their current tf2 session.
    
  • FIX: Dirty fix would be to make it on client connect, wait for them to spawn, load the model outside the map and play the sounds at 0 volume so their game caches everything. Not sure if it'd work properly or not but, just a suggestion.

Someone jokingly said a perk which IMO is quite interesting and very gamemode specific, a perk where the rocket only targets you and no one else. Pretty simple to implement and probably different and way better ways to do it anyways than what I have provided.
How to implement it: though ron should already know

Spoiler: Forced Target

To keep it simple

..
//RTD
int g_iConstTarget; // Keep track of who should be targeted
..
RegServerCmd("db_rtd_target", SetConstantTarget); // Register the command
..
public Action SetConstantTarget(int iArgs)
{
    char strBuffer[8];
    GetCmdArg(1, strBuffer, sizeof(strBuffer));
    g_iConstTarget = StringToInt(strBuffer);
}// Command callback, sets the player who should always be targeted
..
if (iClient == g_iConstTarget)return iClient; // See below

// in function SelectTarget() or similar
    for (int iClient = 1; iClient <= MaxClients; iClient++)
    {
        // If the client isn't connected, skip.
        if (!IsValidClient(iClient, true))continue;
        if (iTeam && GetClientTeam(iClient) != iTeam)continue;

        if (iClient == g_iConstTarget)return iClient; // if the client is valid and on
        // the correct team, check if it needs to always be targeted.

        // Determine if this client should be the target.
        float fNewWeight = GetURandomFloatRange(0.0, 100.0);

        if (bUseRocket == true)
        {
            float fClientPosition[3]; GetClientEyePosition(iClient, fClientPosition);
            float fDirectionToClient[3]; MakeVectorFromPoints(fRocketPosition, fClientPosition, fDirectionToClient);
            fNewWeight += GetVectorDotProduct(fRocketDirection, fDirectionToClient) * fWeight;
        }

        if ((iTarget == -1) || fNewWeight >= fTargetWeight)
        {
            iTarget = iClient;
            fTargetWeight = fNewWeight;
        }
    }

RTD part is fairly simple
in forcedtarget.sp

public void ForcedTarget_Perk(int client, const char[] sPref, bool apply){

    if (apply)
        ServerCommand("db_rtd_target %i", client);
    else
        ServerCommand("db_rtd_target -1");

}

Include and function call needs to be added to #manager.sp and #perks.sp as per documentation.
In rtd2_perks.default.cfg

    "56"    //Forces rocket to only target the client
    {
        "name"            "Forced Target"
        "good"            "0"
        "sound"            "vo/Heavy_negativevocalization02.mp3"
        "token"            "forcedtarget"
        "time"            "15"
        "class"            "0"
        "weapons"        "0"
        "settings"        "0"    //This is not used for anything here
        "tags"            "forcedtarget|db|bad"
    }

Some more stuff should to be added to translations\rtd2_perks.phrases.txt so that it shows what it does via the command sm_perks, but otherwise unneeded.

Since I can't add a vote that contains all of them nor have a separate vote for each one, just reply with what you think should be removed, fixed or left alone. Arguing/being toxic will get you reply banned.

 

[Pricholas]

https://www.panda-community.com/threads/repair-the-dice.16832/

Lighty, May 26, 2018: "I'll give my opinion (and maybe fixes) later or tomorrow."

You bastard

 

[TBotV63]

Scary Bullets

• It does nothing.
• FIX: Airblasted rocket scares anyone nearby it every second or two, enemy only.

Sounds super annoying for everyone involved. I'd rather just throw it out. There are plenty

Infinite Ammo

• It does nothing. Needs to be removed.

Ignition

• It does nothing.
• FIX: Pyros don't burn, so forcing them to burn or just execute sm_burn on the player to burn them.

It either does effectively nothing or it kills you, such is the nature of the gamemode. Imo there are plenty instant / eventual death effects. Trash it.

Bad Sauce

Suffocation

In the trash it goes.

Fire Timebomb

• It does nothing. The person that got it ends up blocking the enemy team because of it.
• FIX: Same as ignition, but this time it burns the pyros that were close enough including the person that rolled the perk. The person that rolled the perk should also possibly make it look like they are damaging them (aka dealing damage).

I find the burn effect to be quite useless either way, how about replacing it with a freeze bomb instead and then applying the old freeze effect (eg you can still airblast). That would add variation to the game and do something other than just being either useless, instant death or temporary invulnerability, which seems to be the vast majority of rtd effects now.

Necro Mash

• Clients don't have the model and sounds in cache, so it causes a huge lagspike for whoever hasn't had it happen in their current tf2 session.
  
• FIXirty fix would be to make it on client connect, wait for them to spawn, load the model outside the map and play the sounds at 0 volume so their game caches everything. Not sure if it'd work properly or not but, just a suggestion.

You could try the fix, but I wouldn't waste too much time trying to debug and reproduce it for everyone. Chances are a subset of people will still complain about it, and simply trashing it is easier.
Consider merging these two efforts: https://www.panda-community.com/threads/repair-the-dice.16832/

Someone jokingly said a perk which IMO is quite interesting and very gamemode specific, a perk where the rocket only targets you and no one else. Pretty simple to implement and probably different and way better ways to do it anyways than what I have provided.

I like that one. If we are going to modify the dodgeball plugin anyway, we might also consider the opposite, eg. rockets won't target you no matter what.
I suppose a second rocket targeting the user as an rtd would be too wild?

Map cleanup thread when? If I'm forced to play catland one more time ima kms.

 

[Pricholas]

https://www.panda-community.com/threads/multiple-rockets-in-dodgeball.15029/

Also rotting on the staff page.

 

[Luigi123]

Added on To Do list.

 

[Kevin]

i'm going to update RTD on the DB servers soon, includes alot of new rolls and possible bugfixes aswell just fyi.

 

[Kevin]

added the RTD update on DB 01, please leave some feedback.

 

[Waxel]

All the rolls works pretty fine except for Long Melee and Drug Bullets but again, we're on dodgeball so it doesn't matter.
Madaras Whistle looks more like of a negative roll though, as the crocodile spawns right under your feet damaging you and who's next to you (Not allies) - Fly instead lets you fly outside maps and glitches basically the rockets if you don't get stuck. An example would be on desert_madness where you can stand outside the map without touching the ground and when the roll expires it doesn't let you respawn back
Overall the update is really nice and some rolls are also good looking ?

 

[Tolfx]

added the RTD update on DB 01, please leave some feedback.

Yes it updated, but some stuff that maybe should get removed? Like fly, ignition, scary bullets, a call beyond and long meele and such. Fly can get abusive and just annoying because you can fly out of the map. And long meele does nothing in db.

A call beyond is also a bit weird and doesnt really suit for db imo. It spawns more rockets that is also homing. So it gets confusing and loud. Ignition just doesnt work on pyro so lol. Scary bullets only work if you shoot them without dying. In db you insta die so it just doesnt work so well.

Bat swarm is also another annoying rtd. It cause a lot of noise and it just makes you deaf so you wont hear the beep. So maybe something to keep in mind?

 

[Pricholas]

Fly should definitely not be in the perk list for dodgeball.

 

[Loli Police]

Could fly get a parameter like tiny mann where if your inside something that gets your model stuck, it respawns you?

 

[Pricholas]

Could fly get a parameter like tiny mann where if your inside something that gets your model stuck, it respawns you?

You can still escape certain maps, which gives someone the potential to delay the game as long as they want to.
It's really not a good idea.
If we could have a roll for flying that isn't noclip, sure.

 

[Loli Police]

Would it help to change the time of that rtd to 5 seconds and reduce noclip speed?

 

[Tolfx]

Removing it from db would just solve everything imo

 

[Pricholas]

Like I said, it doesn't belong in dodgeball. Only way to make noclip feasible is to edit every map with a death barrier outside.
Or just make noclip in to "clip" if that's even possible.

 

[Loli Police]

removing it seems like it would take less time than adding death barriers

 

[Djusan]

I've experimented new rtds and here's my thoughs:

- The bat swarm rtd is too loud, if you roll it and the rocket is aiming at you, you can't even hear the beep (And if you're next to someone doing this rtd it's the same, the sound is too loud)
- I agree with Tolfx on the fly rtd, shouldn't be on DB. We already have no gravity, it's like fly but without speed.
- A call beyond is interesting, but may confuse new players. It's also imo too loud, you get confused very fast because of all that noise.

I kinda like every other rtd, of course long melee range is useless but scary bullet was kinda useless too and we have it since a long time, so no big deal

 

[Pricholas]

I'm pretty certain the only case that scary bullets works is with nuke or rocket splash damage.
Not only is that uncommon, but landing splash damage within the twenty seconds of the roll is even less likely.

Rare enough that I've only seen it once in the last three years. xD
Scary bullets is fine as a neutral roll as it stands, no real reason to remove it.

 

[Djusan]

Scary bullets can works with Vital or Sandvich too

But my point wasn't about removing it, I just highlight that those rtds are not really useful but they don't make any difference, they are kinda useless. No need to remove/change them!

(Still, we need to fix the noise of some rtds, they are really annoying ^^)

 

[Madact]

Can someone list the ones that need to be removed if rolling by players for dodgeball?