Completed The great TFDB map purge (1 Viewer)

[Shad]

Agreed. Leave blucourt and octagon and everyone will be happy

 

[Cryptic]

I know this suggestion pertains to EUDB only; however, I've been wanting to remove a shit ton of maps on USDB as well. Instead of making another suggestion thread, I was hoping USDB and EUDB can work together.

I'd suggest keeping the following maps on EUDB and USDB:

Top 10 maps played on EUDB and USDB based on gameME

• tfdb_blucourt_intox
• tfdb_desert_madness_a9
• tfdb_octagon_a5_fix
• tfdb_box_space_a5_fix
• tfdb_redcourt_intox
• tfdb_baseball_a4
• tfdb_gov_spacedodgeball
• tfdb_spacebox_a2
• tfdb_orangebox_b2
• tfdb_spacetube_a2_fix
• tfdb_box_night_a3
• tfdb_box_sides_a3

Additional Maps Klay Suggested To Keep

• tfdb_butts_panda_a4
• tfdb_greybox

Any map not listed above will be removed.

 

[TBotV63]

One problem with trusting gameMe for this is that it lists historical time. tfdb_octagon_a5 may be one of the most played maps since gameMe was installed, yet it's not even on the servers anymore and has been replaced by tfdb_octagon_a7. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to base our decision on what people used to play, but rather what they play now.

 

[Cryptic]

I don't think it makes a lot of sense to base our decision on what people used to play, but rather what they play now.

Those are still the top played maps on the servers. They're the same maps, but some of 'em are updated. If these aren't the most popular maps, then what are?

 

[TBotV63]

Well, for example, tfdb_gov_spacedodgeball is quite certainly not a top map (EDIT: on EU) anymore. I'll just have a script write down what maps are played for how long over the weekend. That should give a fairly decent representation of which maps are immediately rtv'd and which are actually played. It will most likely match up with what you already have to some extent, but I find a few maps on there a tad hard to believe.

 

[Cryptic]

Well, for example, tfdb_gov_spacedodgeball is quite certainly not a top map (EDIT: on EU) anymore. I'll just have a script write down what maps are played for how long over the weekend. That should give a fairly decent representation of which maps are immediately rtv'd and which are actually played. It will most likely match up with what you already have to some extent, but I find a few maps on there a tad hard to believe.

I supposed so, but as klay has previously stated..

For the sake of variety, I'd keep the following maps. Of course they have their flaws, but in my opinion they aren't that bad and they don't usually get rtv-d.

I doubt any of the maps I listed above get rtv'd immediately.

 

[mrbooooom]

Not all of the maps are THAT bad...or maybe I'm just a bit nostalgic.
Maybe not everybody's taste but I quite like:

• tfdb_baseball_a4

• tfdb_box_night_a3

• tfdb_gov_spacedodgeball

• tfdb_spacetube_a2_fix

• tfdb_Tennis

Would kinda miss them...

Cheers
Booooom

 

[Nanix]

I know this suggestion pertains to EUDB only; however, I've been wanting to remove a shit ton of maps on USDB as well. Instead of making another suggestion thread, I was hoping USDB and EUDB can work together.

I'd suggest keeping the following maps on EUDB and USDB:

Top 10 maps played on EUDB and USDB based on gameME

• tfdb_blucourt_intox
• tfdb_desert_madness_a9
• tfdb_octagon_a5_fix
• tfdb_box_space_a5_fix
• tfdb_redcourt_intox
• tfdb_baseball_a4
• tfdb_gov_spacedodgeball
• tfdb_spacebox_a2
• tfdb_orangebox_b2
• tfdb_spacetube_a2_fix
• tfdb_box_night_a3
• tfdb_box_sides_a3

Additional Maps Klay Suggested To Keep

• tfdb_butts_panda_a4
• tfdb_greybox

Any map not listed above will be removed.

Hey Crypt if it's alright, could we maybe put baseball on that list? A lot of people really like the range in USDB

 

[Madact]

Wondering how long we're waiting for opinions to come in until we come to a decision?

Also please tag thread appropriately c: Thanks *changes to awaiting feedback*

 

[TBotV63]

Wondering how long we're waiting for opinions to come in until we come to a decision?

Also please tag thread appropriately c: Thanks *changes to awaiting feedback*

I didn't tag it that way As far as I'm concerned, unless anyone has any objections, I'll just throw the maps up for debate into a 1 week poll later.

Well, for example, tfdb_gov_spacedodgeball is quite certainly not a top map (EDIT: on EU) anymore. I'll just have a script write down what maps are played for how long over the weekend. That should give a fairly decent representation of which maps are immediately rtv'd and which are actually played.

Well, OP will deliver

I've been collecting data for #4, #19, Dodgeball 24/7 and Dodgeball NY throughout the weekend (Fri 2017-05-05 13:48:41 UTC to Mon 2017-05-08 08:19:43 UTC), yet, as I'm an idiot I forgot #29. May the lord have mercy on my soul.

The test ran for a total of 2 days 18:31:01.

I used the Integral over the usercount throughout the runtime of each map as a measure of a map's popularity. Using that, the following 10 maps were the top10 most played (throughout all four servers):

In brackets: playertime, average amount of players (throughout test period)

• tfdb_blucourt_intox (18407 minutes, 11 players)
• tfdb_octagon_a7 (16173 minutes, 11 players)
• tfdb_box_space_a5_fix_v2 (10863 minutes, 12 players)
• tfdb_spacebox_a2 (8413 minutes, 11 players)
• tfdb_redcourt_panda_a2 (4960 minutes, 11 players)
• tfdb_desert_madness_a9 (4762 minutes, 11 players)
• tfdb_spacetube_a2_fix (4410 minutes, 12 players)
• tfdb_bitch_ass_final (2563 minutes, 10 players)
• tfdb_butts_panda_a4 (2414 minutes, 12 players)
• tfdb_orangebox_b2 (2356 minutes, 10 players)

#4, #19 and Dodgeball 24/7 are well represented in this, merely Dodgeball NY seems to be an outlier and doesn't agree with the majority of these. Yet, due to the incredibly low playertime on its top10 maps in comparison to the other servers (less than 1/20th of that of the top maps on #4 and TX respectively, 1/15 that of the top map on #19) I will go as far as to doubt the result's statistical significance and importance in this decision and ignore it.

Lastly, I'll just post some more comprehensive stats for those interested. For those without life, ask and I'll hook you up with the full data.

Spoiler: Data

Periods during which there were no players on the server were ignored.

Spoiler: All

map                           total_duration  avg_duration  avg_users  int_users
tfdb_blucourt_intox           116451          58.1093       9.4839     18406.7500
tfdb_octagon_a7               104447          57.6100       9.2907     16173.0333
tfdb_box_space_a5_fix_v2      60575           48.3054       10.7600    10863.1333
tfdb_spacebox_a2              52688           57.5197       9.5805     8412.9500
tfdb_redcourt_panda_a2        30872           60.1793       9.6395     4959.8667
tfdb_desert_madness_a9        27420           56.5361       10.4208    4762.2833
tfdb_spacetube_a2_fix         25948           53.3909       10.1984    4410.4667
tfdb_bitch_ass_final          18331           81.1106       8.3880     2562.6833
tfdb_butts_panda_a4           13235           52.3123       10.9458    2414.4667
tfdb_orangebox_b2             20377           61.5619       6.9370     2355.9333
tfdb_baseball_a4              11723           50.3133       9.1864     1794.8667
tfdb_box_night_a3             12337           51.8361       8.2264     1691.4833
tfdb_gov_spacedodgeball       7213            49.4041       12.2587    1473.7000
tfdb_amazon_b1                6970            65.7547       9.0681     1053.4167
tfdb_float_a2_fix             6803            76.4382       7.2381     820.6833
tfdb_ring_slag_a2             4292            57.2267       10.1375    725.1667
tfdb_bk_castleyard_beta       6138            66.0000       6.6253     677.7667
tfdb_box_sides_a3             4448            57.7662       6.9964     518.6667
tfdb_greybox                  4008            91.0909       7.3685     492.2167
tfdb_tennis                   4262            60.8857       6.7511     479.5500
tfdb_montreal_v3              3831            69.6545       6.6980     427.6667
tfdb_sandvich_7e              3050            44.8529       8.0466     409.0333
tfdb_castle_rc2               3133            59.1132       7.4229     387.6000
tfdb_pingpong_b1              2408            47.2157       8.9776     360.3000
tfdb_orbital_a2               2426            53.9111       8.8751     358.8500
tfdb_orenge_blu_red_v2        5592            109.6471      3.7173     346.4500
tfdb_orbit-v10                4311            78.3818       4.0162     288.5667
tfdb_inferno_a5               3313            103.5313      5.1476     284.2333
tfdb_dev_fix                  5249            131.2250      3.2153     281.2833
tfdb_bestofdb_a1              2928            94.4516       5.6124     273.8833
tfdb_pit_a2                   4500            102.2727      3.6369     272.7667
tfdb_maui_b3                  1298            31.6585       12.0917    261.5833
tfdb_catland_v1               2124            88.5000       7.3046     258.5833
tfdb_rockettoss_slag_a2       7142            95.2267       2.1029     250.3167
tfdb_bridge                   2801            103.7407      4.9450     230.8500
tfdb_groove_v2                1368            41.4545       9.0453     206.2333
tfdb_box_glass_floor_a4_fix2  2124            66.3750       4.8781     172.6833
tfdb_campout_a2               4044            96.2857       2.5608     172.6000
tfdb_snow_b1                  2386            113.6190      4.2464     168.8667
tfdb_lithium                  2038            156.7692      4.7552     161.5167
tfdb_platforms_slag_b13       1624            43.8919       5.4932     148.6833
tfdb_float_a3                 2931            83.7429       2.8349     138.4833
tfdb_trainfalls_v5            2334            106.0909      3.4374     133.7167
tfdb_lazarz_a3                2501            166.7333      2.6965     112.4000
tfdb_dream_island_b2          2073            76.7778       2.8524     98.5500
tfdb_oilrig                   2131            96.8636       2.5185     89.4500
tfdb_speed_v2                 1868            155.6667      2.8180     87.7333
tfdb_skibur                   627             104.5000      4.1356     43.2167
tfdb_rows_a2                  770             96.2500       2.1922     28.1333

Spoiler: Europe #4

map                       total_duration  avg_duration  avg_users  int_users
tfdb_blucourt_intox       43737           58.6287       9.5583     6967.5000
tfdb_octagon_a7           37934           48.3852       10.6787    6751.4333
tfdb_box_space_a5_fix_v2  35487           44.7503       11.1038    6567.3333
tfdb_spacebox_a2          20528           45.0175       11.4773    3926.7500
tfdb_spacetube_a2_fix     9192            49.1551       11.1159    1702.9500
tfdb_redcourt_panda_a2    6830            60.9821       9.1837     1045.4167
tfdb_desert_madness_a9    6347            49.5859       9.7882     1035.4333
tfdb_orangebox_b2         5276            39.9697       11.0265    969.6000
tfdb_baseball_a4          1589            29.9811       16.9685    449.3833
tfdb_gov_spacedodgeball   1677            40.9024       15.9523    445.8667
tfdb_orbital_a2           1333            38.0857       13.6279    302.7667
tfdb_box_sides_a3         1649            44.5676       9.4184     258.8500
tfdb_box_night_a3         2295            48.8298       6.4932     248.3667
tfdb_groove_v2            740             29.6000       14.6270    180.4000
tfdb_tennis               550             26.1905       15.8982    145.7333
tfdb_maui_b3              755             37.7500       11.2834    141.9833
tfdb_campout_a2           1986            82.7500       4.0176     132.9833
tfdb_pit_a2               1470            58.8000       5.2415     128.4167
tfdb_bridge               2010            143.5714      3.7910     127.0000
tfdb_amazon_b1            1530            85.0000       4.7235     120.4500
tfdb_bitch_ass_final      1881            188.1000      3.6459     114.3000
tfdb_butts_panda_a4       714             31.0435       9.3978     111.8333
tfdb_pingpong_b1          677             33.8500       9.7253     109.7333
tfdb_inferno_a5           470             36.1538       12.2638    96.0667
tfdb_orenge_blu_red_v2    888             38.6087       5.8457     86.5167
tfdb_lithium              1498            214.0000      3.4553     86.2667
tfdb_snow_b1              399             33.2500       12.0376    80.0500
tfdb_ring_slag_a2         450             75.0000       10.1311    75.9833
tfdb_bk_castleyard_beta   536             59.5556       5.7108     51.0167
tfdb_lazarz_a3            204             34.0000       14.1471    48.1000
tfdb_dream_island_b2      594             84.8571       4.6448     45.9833
tfdb_dev_fix              1589            794.5000      1.6998     45.0167
tfdb_greybox              269             67.2500       8.4498     37.8833
tfdb_orbit-v10            256             51.2000       8.5664     36.5500
tfdb_platforms_slag_b13   526             43.8333       4.0190     35.2333
tfdb_speed_v2             1255            209.1667      1.6199     33.8833
tfdb_castle_rc2           188             26.8571       10.3670    32.4833
tfdb_float_a3             1004            77.2308       1.6444     27.5167
tfdb_float_a2_fix         106             106.0000      9.0000     15.9000
tfdb_catland_v1           285             95.0000       1.0000     4.7500
tfdb_oilrig               93              46.5000       2.3011     3.5667
tfdb_montreal_v3          35              35.0000       1.0000     0.5833

Spoiler: Europe #19

map                           total_duration  avg_duration  avg_users  int_users
tfdb_octagon_a7               32208           60.5414       8.2639     4436.0833
tfdb_blucourt_intox           27174           49.7692       9.0784     4111.6167
tfdb_box_space_a5_fix_v2      17618           61.1736       8.5624     2514.2000
tfdb_spacebox_a2              18671           69.9288       7.2788     2265.0500
tfdb_spacetube_a2_fix         8824            53.1566       9.5349     1402.2667
tfdb_redcourt_panda_a2        7419            59.8306       9.0075     1113.7833
tfdb_box_night_a3             5744            39.0748       10.8296    1036.7500
tfdb_desert_madness_a9        5981            56.9619       9.1628     913.3833
tfdb_orangebox_b2             5308            57.6957       7.2067     637.5500
tfdb_baseball_a4              5019            55.1538       7.4118     620.0000
tfdb_butts_panda_a4           1900            54.2857       9.4505     299.2667
tfdb_tennis                   1889            44.9762       9.0688     285.5167
tfdb_bk_castleyard_beta       3353            57.8103       5.0546     282.4667
tfdb_amazon_b1                1490            51.3793       10.3329    256.6000
tfdb_greybox                  1876            72.1538       7.4200     232.0000
tfdb_bestofdb_a1              1846            102.5556      7.5314     231.7167
tfdb_float_a2_fix             2137            82.1923       5.8063     206.8000
tfdb_orenge_blu_red_v2        1563            74.4286       6.9424     180.8500
tfdb_montreal_v3              1611            55.5517       6.2098     166.7333
tfdb_pit_a2                   2737            195.5000      2.8345     129.3000
tfdb_orbit-v10                1098            37.8621       6.7468     123.4667
tfdb_float_a3                 1927            87.5909       3.4551     110.9667
tfdb_box_sides_a3             974             42.3478       6.1992     100.6333
tfdb_sandvich_7e              1557            42.0811       3.6911     95.7833
tfdb_box_glass_floor_a4_fix2  740             49.3333       6.3608     78.4500
tfdb_platforms_slag_b13       405             25.3125       11.3185    76.4000
tfdb_lithium                  540             90.0000       8.3611     75.2500
tfdb_pingpong_b1              457             91.4000       9.4617     72.0667
tfdb_inferno_a5               1129            188.1667      3.7104     69.8167
tfdb_snow_b1                  1839            1839.0000     2.0000     61.3000
tfdb_castle_rc2               608             35.7647       6.0280     61.0833
tfdb_trainfalls_v5            1942            149.3846      1.7291     55.9667
tfdb_speed_v2                 299             59.8000       8.7057     43.3833
tfdb_oilrig                   285             142.5000      8.6035     40.8667
tfdb_orbital_a2               444             111.0000      4.6509     34.4167
tfdb_bridge                   358             51.1429       4.9860     29.7500
tfdb_ring_slag_a2             180             36.0000       9.8500     29.5500
tfdb_gov_spacedodgeball       299             24.9167       5.1505     25.6667
tfdb_bitch_ass_final          878             175.6000      1.2927     18.9167
tfdb_groove_v2                244             40.6667       3.2582     13.2500
tfdb_dream_island_b2          547             78.1429       1.0987     10.0167
tfdb_rockettoss_slag_a2       93              93.0000       6.0000     9.3000
tfdb_rows_a2                  100             50.0000       3.0400     5.0667

Spoiler: US TX

map                           total_duration  avg_duration  avg_users  int_users
tfdb_blucourt_intox           40967           62.7366       10.3048    7035.9333
tfdb_octagon_a7               29126           61.8386       9.5465     4634.1833
tfdb_redcourt_panda_a2        16144           60.0149       10.3578    2786.9333
tfdb_desert_madness_a9        13871           58.2815       12.0271    2780.4667
tfdb_bitch_ass_final          13440           72.2581       10.3372    2315.5333
tfdb_spacebox_a2              13489           69.8912       9.8798     2221.1500
tfdb_butts_panda_a4           9332            50.9945       12.5117    1945.9833
tfdb_box_space_a5_fix_v2      7470            43.1792       14.3100    1781.6000
tfdb_spacetube_a2_fix         6289            49.5197       11.4670    1201.9333
tfdb_gov_spacedodgeball       5237            56.3118       11.4818    1002.1667
tfdb_baseball_a4              5115            57.4719       8.5101     725.4833
tfdb_orangebox_b2             6627            79.8434       5.5653     614.6833
tfdb_float_a2_fix             4560            73.5484       7.8682     597.9833
tfdb_amazon_b1                1829            48.1316       18.1591    553.5500
tfdb_ring_slag_a2             2029            40.5800       16.1602    546.4833
tfdb_box_night_a3             3648            91.2000       6.3514     386.1667
tfdb_sandvich_7e              1493            48.1613       12.5887    313.2500
tfdb_montreal_v3              2185            87.4000       7.1492     260.3500
tfdb_castle_rc2               1218            55.3636       11.6601    236.7000
tfdb_dev_fix                  3185            99.5313       4.2606     226.1667
tfdb_greybox                  1863            133.0714      7.1605     222.3333
tfdb_pingpong_b1              996             45.2727       10.3896    172.4667
tfdb_rockettoss_slag_a2       5670            91.4516       1.7453     164.9333
tfdb_box_sides_a3             1825            107.3529      5.2334     159.1833
tfdb_orbit-v10                2957            140.8095      2.6084     128.5500
tfdb_maui_b3                  543             25.8571       13.2155    119.6000
tfdb_orenge_blu_red_v2        3141            448.7143      1.5107     79.0833
tfdb_trainfalls_v5            392             43.5556       11.9005    77.7500
tfdb_inferno_a5               464             42.1818       9.9224     76.7333
tfdb_bk_castleyard_beta       427             38.8182       10.6557    75.8333
tfdb_bridge                   433             72.1667       10.2679    74.1000
tfdb_lazarz_a3                2297            255.2222      1.6796     64.3000
tfdb_box_glass_floor_a4_fix2  458             76.3333       7.9607     60.7667
tfdb_tennis                   1823            260.4286      1.5897     48.3000
tfdb_bestofdb_a1              1082            83.2308       2.3383     42.1667
tfdb_campout_a2               1556            141.4545      1.1375     29.5000
tfdb_snow_b1                  148             18.5000       11.1554    27.5167
tfdb_dream_island_b2          281             46.8333       5.4270     25.4167
tfdb_oilrig                   1018            67.8667       1.2338     20.9333
tfdb_skibur                   128             42.6667       9.5625     20.4000
tfdb_pit_a2                   127             127.0000      5.0000     10.5833

Spoiler: US NY

map                           total_duration  avg_duration  avg_users  int_users
tfdb_octagon_a7               5179            199.1923      4.0703     351.3333
tfdb_blucourt_intox           4573            77.5085       3.8272     291.7000
tfdb_bk_castleyard_beta       1822            121.4667      8.8403     268.4500
tfdb_catland_v1               1839            87.5714       8.2817     253.8333
tfdb_orangebox_b2             3166            131.9167      2.5414     134.1000
tfdb_amazon_b1                2121            101.0000      3.4743     122.8167
tfdb_bitch_ass_final          2132            85.2800       3.2064     113.9333
tfdb_spacetube_a2_fix         1643            273.8333      3.7730     103.3167
tfdb_rockettoss_slag_a2       1379            114.9167      3.3104     76.0833
tfdb_ring_slag_a2             1633            116.6429      2.6877     73.1500
tfdb_butts_panda_a4           1289            107.4167      2.6711     57.3833
tfdb_castle_rc2               1119            159.8571      3.0742     57.3333
tfdb_inferno_a5               1250            625.0000      1.9976     41.6167
tfdb_platforms_slag_b13       693             77.0000       3.2078     37.0500
tfdb_box_glass_floor_a4_fix2  926             84.1818       2.1685     33.4667
tfdb_desert_madness_a9        1221            87.2143       1.6216     33.0000
tfdb_oilrig                   735             245.0000      1.9660     24.0833
tfdb_rows_a2                  670             111.6667      2.0657     23.0667
tfdb_skibur                   499             166.3333      2.7435     22.8167
tfdb_orbital_a2               649             108.1667      2.0031     21.6667
tfdb_box_night_a3             650             162.5000      1.8646     20.2000
tfdb_dream_island_b2          651             93.0000       1.5791     17.1333
tfdb_redcourt_panda_a2        479             59.8750       1.7203     13.7333
tfdb_groove_v2                384             192.0000      1.9661     12.5833
tfdb_speed_v2                 314             314.0000      2.0000     10.4667
tfdb_campout_a2               502             71.7143       1.2092     10.1167
tfdb_dev_fix                  475             79.1667       1.2758     10.1000
tfdb_pingpong_b1              278             69.5000       1.3022     6.0333
tfdb_pit_a2                   166             41.5000       1.6145     4.4667

To me these maps seem to be a quite reasonable selection.

EDIT: Copy paste is hard, fixed some shit.

 

[Cryptic]

Finalized List?

• tfdb_blucourt_intox
• tfdb_octagon_a7
• tfdb_box_space_a5_fix_v2
• tfdb_spacebox_a2
• tfdb_redcourt_panda_a2
• tfdb_desert_madness_a9
• tfdb_spacetube_a2_fix
• tfdb_bitch_ass_final
• tfdb_butts_panda_a4
• tfdb_orangebox_b2
• tfdb_baseball_a4
• tfdb_gov_spacedodgeball
• tfdb_box_night_a3
• tfdb_box_sides_a3

 

[TBotV63]

Hmm seems 'bout right to me, I'll throw those up for vote then.

 

[Pricholas]

tfdb_bitch_ass_final isn't a horrible map, but it is almost always abused with downspike rockets getting caught under the bridges or on the vertical walls.
Otherwise map list is perfect.

 

[Kevin]

whats the current state of this?

 

[Wolfgang]

do the thing c:

 

[TBotV63]

@Kevin

• tfdb_blucourt_intox
• tfdb_octagon_a7
• tfdb_box_space_a5_fix_v2
• tfdb_spacebox_a2
• tfdb_redcourt_panda_a2
• tfdb_desert_madness_a9
• tfdb_spacetube_a2_fix
• tfdb_bitch_ass_final
• tfdb_butts_panda_a4
• tfdb_orangebox_b2
• tfdb_baseball_a4
• tfdb_gov_spacedodgeball
• tfdb_box_night_a3
• tfdb_box_sides_a3

Those are the maps we agreed on keeping, on both US and EU.

 

[Kevin]

@Kevin

• tfdb_blucourt_intox
• tfdb_octagon_a7
• tfdb_box_space_a5_fix_v2
• tfdb_spacebox_a2
• tfdb_redcourt_panda_a2
• tfdb_desert_madness_a9
• tfdb_spacetube_a2_fix
• tfdb_bitch_ass_final
• tfdb_butts_panda_a4
• tfdb_orangebox_b2
• tfdb_baseball_a4
• tfdb_gov_spacedodgeball
• tfdb_box_night_a3
• tfdb_box_sides_a3

Those are the maps we agreed on keeping, on both US and EU.

reduce from 50 maps down to 14? i dont think so.

 

[Husky]

@Kevin Unless you find other maps that people would like / wont abuse this is all we really have atm.
Unless you get your TFDB admins and players we wont have anymore maps to choose from

 

[Nitro4D]

Maybe some old tfdb maps? I know players that would love that.

 

[ekin]

I don't see the problem with 14 maps here.
If people don't like the map, why shouldn't it be removed?
14 is still plenty.