Completed [JB] Diner/Theater Rule Change Suggestion 2 (1 Viewer)

[Dr. Meatloaf]

Hi everyone, I think the rules for voting minigames needs some tweaking to make them more clear and avoid favoritism.

The current rules regarding voting minigames are as follows:

In the event of a tie, Wardens can override the decision in whichever direction they want.

I think there's a good number of reasons that this needs to change. The way this rule is written is confusing. It's not entirely clear if this rule means that the warden establishes the standard beforehand, or if the warden gets to decide for each individual red who lives or dies. Also its not clear when the warden has to make this decision. Perhaps a person the warden doesn't like is the first to get a tie vote, so warden decides then that "everyone who ties dies from now on." There are more reasons this is problematic laid out in the previous suggestion, but I think these are the major reasons.

(See this previous suggestion for some more context)

Declined Thread '[USJB] Diner Rule Change'

Jan 12, 2025

Currently, The jailbreak rule for the diner minigame state that:

In the event of a tie, Wardens can override the decision in whichever direction they want.

This rule was added before the warden had an option to initiate a blue team vote. Now, in the event of a tie, the blue team vote randomly selects which option wins.
My suggestion is to remove the quoted specification. With the vote plugin randomly selecting, it seems unnecessary to have this in the rules, as the plugin auto chooses, and its sort of favoring as they place the warden as the sole decider.

• salguod
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I am proposing that we change the rule to this:

Unless the warden says otherwise before beginning the minigame, if a prisoner gets a majority of blue votes or ties, the prisoner will live. All reds must be judged to the same standard.

I personally think this is a good change. I think it clarifies the rules in a way that makes sense and removes the potential favoritism problem. In addition it creates a consistent standard that everyone follows in the event of a tie, unless the warden decides to change that standard, which they have to do before starting the game (again to avoid favoritism). Warden could also potentially change the standard to make it so that reds require a higher count to win, for instance they could say that all ties die, or that 2/3rds of blu votes are required to win which I think might be interesting if wardens choose to do that for whatever reason, and it's nice to have that flexibility. Also I added the last sentence that "All reds must be judged to the same standard" just to hammer home the point that there can be absolutely no shenanigans with wardens changing the standard mid-game.

Please let me know what you think. Maybe there are some better ways to solve this issue, or maybe you don't think this is an issue at all. Let me know.

 

[Bananawastaken]

Sounds good

 

[Mehgend]

mmm I think that having all ties lead to a prisoner living would make giving LR on theater with a large number of reds virtually impossible if you have 4 guards. I notice a lot of rounds have ties like that, and not allowing the option to decide which one you want is a little silly.

Thoughts on this? I could be worrying too much but Im unsure.

 

[Dr. Meatloaf]

mmm I think that having all ties lead to a prisoner living would make giving LR on theater with a large number of reds virtually impossible if you have 4 guards. I notice a lot of rounds have ties like that, and not allowing the option to decide which one you want is a little silly.

Thoughts on this? I could be worrying too much but Im unsure.

I mean you can decide that all ties lead to death, you just have to do so at the beginning of the minigame. That’s why I kept the option to have warden set a different standard. In these rounds of four you could even make it so that it has to be unanimous if you really wanted to which might make mass diner easier. I hope I explained that well sorry I know it’s a bit confusing.

True some less experienced wardens might forget to say so at the beginning of the round but hopefully blus will remind them, and if it really is a less experienced wardens the chance of them successfully doing mass diner with 4 blus is fairly low anyway.

Edit: I am also ok with the default rule being that all ties lead to death if people prefer that but the poll would probably have to be reset. I just think we need some consistent standard.

 

[Mehgend]

I mean you can decide that all ties lead to death, you just have to do so at the beginning of the minigame. That’s why I kept the option to have warden set a different standard. In these rounds of four you could even make it so that it has to be unanimous if you really wanted to which might make mass diner easier. I hope I explained that well sorry I know it’s a bit confusing.

oHHH Ok I see now lol I read too quickly and didnt catch the "unless otherwise stated" bit

 

[SirKrookodile]

Would probably rather something more like
"The warden must state af the beginning of the minigame, if a prisoner gets a majority of blue votes or ties, the prisoner will live or die. All reds must be judged to the same standard."
Although your wording works just as well. Pretty much falls in line with how we all think it should be consistent to avoid favouritism.

 

[Dr. Meatloaf]

Would probably rather something more like
"The warden must state af the beginning of the minigame, if a prisoner gets a majority of blue votes or ties, the prisoner will live or die. All reds must be judged to the same standard."
Although your wording works just as well. Pretty much falls in line with how we all think it should be consistent to avoid favouritism.

That’s fair, this wording would fix the problem, and make things less confusing aswell. My main concern is just that wardens are going to forget to say so at the beginning of the minigame in which case they’re going to have to make the decision of what to do with ties when there actually is a tie, which could potentially be influenced by their personal opinion on whether or not they want to kill the player. That’s why I like having a default rule that takes effect if warden doesn’t mention what to do about ties.

Honestly I’m not too stressed about the details. I like what I wrote, but if the admin who implements this wants to change the wording so it’s similar but slightly different that’s fine by me as long as we fix the issues with the current rule, and make these votes more fair.

 

[_Black]

Its already within the rules, just not 100% specified. All ties either win or lose. It was never that warden could pick a different side on each tie. Because exactly this is favortism.
Tho if this helps people to understand it for good. Change a few words, nothing that would hurt anyone.

 

[PistolPoppinSince02]

Seems aight to me

 

[Bananawastaken]

Rule change will be replacing "In the event of a tie, Wardens can override the decision in whichever direction they want." with:

"Unless stated otherwise before starting, if a prisoner gets a majority of blue votes or ties, the prisoner will live."

Feedback please on content or wording, will be implementing it and closing the thread on the 1st of February.

 

[Steve]

I Think ties should die, good rule change

 

[dimitree]

I swear the /wbluevote ting randomises the yes/no in event of a tie

 

[Bananawastaken]

I swear the /wbluevote ting randomises the yes/no in event of a tie

Declined Thread '[USJB] Diner Rule Change'

Jan 12, 2025

Currently, The jailbreak rule for the diner minigame state that:

In the event of a tie, Wardens can override the decision in whichever direction they want.

This rule was added before the warden had an option to initiate a blue team vote. Now, in the event of a tie, the blue team vote randomly selects which option wins.
My suggestion is to remove the quoted specification. With the vote plugin randomly selecting, it seems unnecessary to have this in the rules, as the plugin auto chooses, and its sort of favoring as they place the warden as the sole decider.

• salguod
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[Bananawastaken]

Done