Completed [JB] Bootcamp's time has come (1 Viewer)

[T0aster]

I like bootcamp. no-one votes for it tho!
so it never gets played and people dont rly learn the map. my vote is no

 

[SirKrookodile]

We haven't had a single map removal in the big 2025. The point of removing bad maps is tightening our rotation so underplayed GOOD maps can take their spot and get some love. RTV fodder like this map kills playercounts and actively hinders other maps.

Ding Ding Ding!!!
With the surge of new map makers, we have been extremely picky towards them. Everyone was so eager to remove galaxy as soon as it got added. And is bootcamp actually better than Galaxy? No, it's really not.
We shouldn't just keep a map because it's been in rotation for a while. Otherwise we should add Aztec back.
We need to strive for better overall map pool quality.

 

[Ahamkara's Vow]

With the surge of new map makers, we have been extremely picky towards them. Everyone was so eager to remove galaxy as soon as it got added. And is bootcamp actually better than Galaxy?

I HAVE BEEN PREACHING THAT GALAXY IS BETTER THAN EVERYBODY SAYS. Is it the greatest? No. But everybody makes it out to be the worst map ever made. It pisses me off.

 

[Mehgend]

The point of removing bad maps is tightening our rotation so underplayed GOOD maps can take their spot and get some love.

That will never happen. The underplayed maps will always be underplayed no matter what else is in rotation. The only way for a maps playcount to change is everyones perception of it changes and its likelyhood to show up as option 4 on the voting menu.

I personally don't mind keeping bootcamp at all. I wouldn't call for any of the current maps to be removed actually.

With the surge of new map makers, we have been extremely picky towards them.

imo this is bad. Our ability to remove/add maps has been made much easier than it has EVER been. We should be welcoming to at least trying new stuff out way more now than ever considering what we have access to. If a map idea goes poorly, then oh well, remove it and try again with the information you've collected from the time it was active on the server. Maybe next time.

To me a map should only be taken away if it fundamentally just doesn't work as a map. Its tricky to traverse, impossible to play on as either a guard or a rebeller, or the map just is broken. In my opinion none of these are true for any map in rotation. Bootcamp is one of the closer examples still in rotation, but its fine.

 

[Eagle_attack]

Quality over quantity

This map GOTTA GO

 

[hehe troll]

I HAVE BEEN PREACHING THAT GALAXY IS BETTER THAN EVERYBODY SAYS. Is it the greatest? No. But everybody makes it out to be the worst map ever made. It pisses me off.

thank you.


hi, My opinion time

so personally i think bootcamp is a very fun map to play on, however i will still be voting yes to remove it.

my reasons as to why; i think that the only memorable thing for me is the red win secret but that's rarely ever done so not everyone might know about it (with the tank and the Russian flags)

so like, the sightlines? bad. the minigames? mediocre, obby and climb are pretty fun ngl but also kinda boring

idk, it looks way too bland and empty compared to every other map in our rotation. there's lots of empty space that just BEGS to be filled by something.

 

[Sunsob]

I'd like note that since I made this suggestion bootcamp has only been played once, so clearly some of you don't love this map as much as you say you do.

i vote no even though i know its futile...
goodbye my glorious sniper pointfarm <3 ;(

So you admit the sniper sightlines are a problem, yet refuse to do something about it?

At this point the more we remove maps constantly for the sake of it. The less more maps will be played. Honestly I don't see a point removing bootcamp when it's played a few times in a blue moon, and has some minigames i do enjoy. There's a lot of maps I'd take bootcamp over, and are in rotation so I'd like to see bootcamp stay. I don't think we have too many maps atm, when like 5 get played only.

I don't think we remove maps often at all, last time was instacity back in november. Also just because there are crimes worse than murder that doesn't mean we shouldn't arrest murderers.

Overall I'm not really seeing a good argument in favor of bootcamp, mostly people saying they like the map with little to no reason why

 

[hehe troll]

I'd like note that since I made this suggestion bootcamp has only been played once, so clearly some of you don't love this map as much as you say you do.

it's been like 4 days. insufficient time to tell that, sometimes the map just isn't picked for various reasons... there's days galaxy isn't picked too, does that mean galaxy is not loved? ... maybe, but that's a different story

 

[Kron]

it's been like 4 days. insufficient time to tell that, sometimes the map just isn't picked for various reasons... there's days galaxy isn't picked too, does that mean galaxy is not loved? ... maybe, but that's a different story

I've played on Galaxy more than I've played bootcamp in the past 5 months (3.14% of the time vs 0.61%).

But no, I'm not a big fan of this map for a few reasons:

1. The minigames aren't interesting barring DDay and Ghost Hunt
2. Constant failrounds
3. Massive sightlines which enhanced point #2

Is it as bad as some people in this thread are suggesting? No, quite frankly I think it is about on the same level as v1a galaxy, snowday, and crossroads and I've yet to see anything regarding those maps being removed. With that being said though I wouldn't be heartbroken if it were gone.

 

[Sunsob]

Is it as bad as some people in this thread are suggesting? No, quite frankly I think it is about on the same level as v1a galaxy, snowday, and crossroads and I've yet to see anything regarding those maps being removed. With that being said though I wouldn't be heartbroken if it were gone.

I mean...

Declined Thread 'Lets do it, Remove Crossroads'

Apr 4, 2025

As we all know, crossroads is one of the greatest maps in all of jb ever... jb kinda sucks if thats true ngl
Here I have a clip of some of the INNOVATIVE GAMEPLAY displayed on jb_crossroads!

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now if that doesn't scream "riveting gameplay"... then you'd be right this map sucks holy hell.

However, that was but a TASTE of how agonizingly bad crossroads is.
here's one of my "nitpicky" things, it looks NOTHING LIKE...

• BritishMafia
• crossroads
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Declined Thread '[JB] Remove galaxy until it’s better updated'

Mar 11, 2025

I usually don’t make map removal suggestions like this so soon after a map is added but Galaxy is clearly not ready yet. Through one playing of it I found a lot of really big problems, and been told of more:
- Sand Obby is poorly designed. No safe space for BLUs and multiple REDs got stuck in the gravity areas.
- Ice Obby has no invisible roof covering it making it possible for BLUs to fall in.
- Boss Fight is bugged, apparently BLUs can get stuck in the ground when they teleport.
- A lack of a safe space for BLUs in a lot of minigames.
- Very cramped in many areas.
- Captain Toad...

• Nergal Nergalton
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(and we're waiting for the updated version of galaxy to be added to the server, so suggesting galaxy to be removed is pointless right now)

 

[Mehgend]

Sillly geese this is boot camp territory not space territory. We all know galaxy is the jailbreak equivalent to fast food, but let’s talk about bootcamp!

Personally I want its head on a platter because I just remembered semi removed the full map disco like 6 years ago or something. I miss it every day

 

[Musisphaera]

After letting it sit after my initial voting, time to share my opinion too.
I'm voting yes for the removal.

It's layout reminds me of a true bootcamp so compliments for the design. But the main problems this map is having is already spoken out by other members, which reflects my thoughts.
Some of them are:

• It's way to open and way too wide
• Minigames have a big distance
• It's sniper heaven
• Compared to it's size, it's pretty empty

I think in my opinion that the reasons above are why person's don't want to play the map or aren't nominating the map, so that's why it's a "once in a blue moon" map for a reason (not to disrespect the map creator in any way).

Highlighting some comments as these reflects my thoughts exactly:

The point of removing bad maps is tightening our rotation so underplayed GOOD maps can take their spot and get some love. RTV fodder like this map kills playercounts and actively hinders other maps.

We shouldn't just keep a map because it's been in rotation for a while. Otherwise we should add Aztec back.

Quality over quantity

To end my comment, I want to add the comment of the map creator of Bootcamp and how the map creator thinks of the map, which isn't exactly complimentary:

And the map creator voted yes on the removal too.

View attachment 36004
i think this says enough

 

[Ian]

I like this map, but I should not have gone against Semi's wishes when I suggested its readmission to our roster, it really isn't up to the standard of other maps. Its minigames are mostly meh, and the only thing I liked about it was nostalgia, since it was made around the time I began playing panda. I know some folks like it, but I am always an advocate of having a smaller, less overwhelming map pool.

 

[PistolPoppinSince02]

Tbh ain't got much to say.
Neutral overall.

 

[Semicolon Backslash]

I was gonna write a masterpiece here but there's no point.

This is my weakest map, I don't like it and I feel like I can't remake it or fix it because doing so would ruin what makes bootcamp cool to people (the fact that it sucks).

Also stop acting like d-day is the peak of game design, it's vs. sentry minefield with a payload cart.

 

[crubf]

Also stop acting like d-day is the peak of game design, it's vs. sentry minefield with a payload cart.

..acting?

 

[Ahamkara's Vow]

Changing my vote to a yes. If the map creator is saying it should get removed, then it most likely does.

 

[Nergal Nergalton]

Also stop acting like d-day is the peak of game design, it's vs. sentry minefield with a payload cart.

People actually think D-day is peak game design?

 

[Sym]

i always fuck up on the strafe/surf thing on climb so yeah its gotta go

 

[Bananawastaken]

Woahhh need more votes, gonna close the thread on the 8th.