Declined [JB] Add "Ghost Mode" (1 Viewer)

[hehe troll]

heya everyone!
once in a blue moon hehe suggestion!

i have a cool one for y'all this time:
ghost mode!
now i know what y'all might be thinking, "but hehe, the Halloween spirit has already passed!"
and to that i say.... good point
and you might be asking yourself, "now what in the jailbreak phantoms is this?"
let me explain.

basically, as soon as you die, you turn into a ghost where alive players can NOT see you, but other ghosts can.
im suggesting this because ive heard people say "ughh im dead now i gotta wait an eternity before i can play!" alot before, so here im giving them the choice to still.. sort of interact with the world around them!
dead ghosts cannot interact with buttons, triggers, or anything on the map. they're just. there.

before you ask, "uhhh hehe but who's going to code this "
well. i discovered ReFlexPoison's really cool plugin!

https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=1883875

adding the files from there to the server should be enough. (according to Berke that is)

so im curious what the rest of the community thinks!

 

[Socks]

doesnt this just sound like spectating but you can see each other? what's the element that'd make it more entertaining to the people complaining about long wait times between rounds

 

[hehe troll]

doesnt this just sound like spectating but you can see each other? what's the element that'd make it more entertaining to the people complaining about long wait times between rounds

it's spectating but you can fly around the world, it seems like something cool to add, feels more like you're still somewhat part of the game instead of just viewing events through a camera.

 

[Bananawastaken]

I like spectating more than being a ghost, we already have an anti delay plugin, I don’t see the point of this

 

[crubf]

this was a thing on servers i played way back and i liked it. its pointless but that doesnt mean its a net negative

 

[SirKrookodile]

This is like. Sorta whatever, doesn't do much for me or many other players who will just tab out for the duration of the round after they die.

 

[Socks]

it's spectating but you can fly around the world, it seems like something cool to add, feels more like you're still somewhat part of the game instead of just viewing events through a camera.

you can already do this right now just jump in the spectator's team and press space you get freecam

 

[hehe troll]

you can already do this right now just jump in the spectator's team and press space you get freecam

yeah but that's very boring

plus funny ghost physics is funny

 

[AtomThePermabanned]

I'd say it sounds good. Allows players to still be able to spectate from something other than the player cameras, and even give them a chance to explore the map while dead - especially useful on lesser known maps.
However, unless the ghosts are somehow filtered to be visible to ONLY the dead players - which in vanilla I believe they're visible to everyone - then it might get disruptive.

Todo (at least what I'd imagine would be the case):
- Remove all interactability with the map or living players, if they even have any to begin with (prohibit +use, walkover triggers like doors, etc; teleports should work as expected though)
- Remove all visibility from live players, but not from dead players

Pros:
- Gives players the opportunity to explore the map outside of the Spectator Team, to learn more about it or otherwise practice minigames death-free (obby, climb, other parkour games)
- Much easier to spectate outside of the Spectator Team, in the case of gathering evidence for rulebreakers or getting a better POV of everything going on.
- Could be more to this? That's all that comes to my head.

Cons:
- Would be much harder to ghost inactive, delaying, or nonrebelling reds, since you'd have to either find them first or follow them around all game.
- Might be unpleasant for some who are used to the regular spectate system the game has. If anything I'd make Ghost Mode a player-specific toggle.

Spectator Mode already does everything here, but I feel like Ghost Mode would also have potential, depending on player preferences.
All in all, feels like one of those "it'd be nice but isn't necessary" additions. Probably not gonna be high up on the implementation priority bracket, stuck near "if someone feels like making it a thing".

 

[hehe troll]

I'd say it sounds good. Allows players to still be able to spectate from something other than the player cameras, and even give them a chance to explore the map while dead - especially useful on lesser known maps.
However, unless the ghosts are somehow filtered to be visible to ONLY the dead players - which in vanilla I believe they're visible to everyone - then it might get disruptive.

Todo (at least what I'd imagine would be the case):
- Remove all interactability with the map or living players, if they even have any to begin with (prohibit +use, walkover triggers like doors, etc; teleports should work as expected though)
- Remove all visibility from live players, but not from dead players

i listed that the todos you said here are already in the plugin link i provided

Cons:
(...)
- Might be unpleasant for some who are used to the regular spectate system the game has. If anything I'd make Ghost Mode a player-specific toggle.

i like the solution of having a toggle. maybe by pressing a certain button (combination)?

 

[SirKrookodile]

i listed that the todos you said here are already in the plugin link i provided


i like the solution of having a toggle. maybe by pressing a certain button (combination)?

There's no need for a toggle. Dead red team members would be the ghosts, but if they want to spectate regularly they can swap to spectator mode.

 

[AtomThePermabanned]

i like the solution of having a toggle. maybe by pressing a certain button (combination)?

Maybe not a button combination. I'd say if anything, make it a command or a setting in a menu (which panda doesn't have menus afaik)
Like for example, using "!ghost" might toggle it between regular red/blu spectate and being able to wander around after death.

There's no need for a toggle. Dead red team members would be the ghosts, but if they want to spectate regularly they can swap to spectator mode.

I wouldn't want to take too much away from the current vanilla-like system, but what's there that I can say that isn't painfully obvious about the current spectate mode?

i listed that the todos you said here are already in the plugin link i provided

Missed that, my apologies, was caught up in the first half of your suggestion since that pretty much hooked me in.

 

[_Black]

Seems a bit unnecessary imo. I dont wanna hear the "boo" sound getting spammed all the time.

 

[PFD1]

This is a toggleable choice right?

I dont wanna be a ghost all the time having to walk up to somone across the map to see what they do

 

[hehe troll]

Seems a bit unnecessary imo. I dont wanna hear the "boo" sound getting spammed all the time.

im p sure that's toggleable.

semi is going to test it during the play test this weekend.

 

[Semicolon Backslash]

While I will be running a playtest with this plugin tomorrow I'll go ahead and answer some questions/concerns brought up here. I am not for or against this plugin as of yet.

This is a toggleable choice right?

I dont wanna be a ghost all the time having to walk up to somone across the map to see what they do

You can toggle ghost mode from the menu (sm_ghost).

Seems a bit unnecessary imo. I dont wanna hear the "boo" sound getting spammed all the time.

The boo sound is non-functioning for these ghosts, attempting to "boo" teleports you to a player instead.

I cannot test if there is any unforeseen interactivity between the living and the dead but I can't imagine there would be much if any.

 

[Mehgend]

plus funny ghost physics is funny

can we please stop having suggestions exist and one of the responses to people not liking it be "its funny" i swear like 1/4 of suggestions have somebody adding something into the mix under the guise of "its funny" or "well it has this part of it that has a funny element to it"



I personally dont like this because its super removed from the vanilla-ness panda has had for years and years. I never minded waiting 8 minutes for a freeday to end, but clearly other people did and now we have 3 minute freedays, and soon we will have 2 minute freedays.

Now we wanna add ghosts?
People been talking about removing DR too?

Whats next in the keeping people occupied for mass amounts of time series of changes? Warden has a teleport all non-rebellers button to remove walking to minigames? If someone doesnt like a minigame they can chose a different one and have their own fun? Rebelling can only be done after 7:00 to prevent rounds from ending before they start?



Regardless, I dont believe we need stuff like this added. I don't like ghosts and I don't want to see them.

 

[PFD1]

Regardless, I dont believe we need stuff like this added. I don't like ghosts and I don't want to see them.

To be honest. on what mehgend said, it could probablly give off impacts on the server performance having a bunch of stuff added. And im sure most of the players that are dead are alt tabbed.

 

[ItsNotCalassic]

You guys could’ve picked anyone to make this suggestion and it would’ve been better. Like megan said, the whole “its funny” isn’t a reason to add this.

Regardless, I don’t see any negatives to adding this but of course i’d rather wait till we playtest it and see the plugin function before I give any further input.

Also server performance will not tank if there is a bunch of ghosts

 

[Shocker807]

I have a feeling if you die instantly and turn into the "ghost" it wouldn't be fun for the people who want to use spectator mode, If it was like a command such as "!ghost" or "/ghost" then yea it would be pretty cool.