[Jailbreak] Let's feel out the waters on death requests (1 Viewer)

[Cowboy]

Alright guys, one of Panda's redeeming qualities is the active involvement within the community in terms of change, which is why i want to have a conversation with you regarding death request.

To clear any confusion, here is the rule for verbatim here:

DR stands for “death request.” A DR is given to the last non Rebelling Prisoner as a way to end the round. Unlike LR this does not require the warden to be alive and a person receiving a DR could be a freeday for example.
A DR cannot involve killing another Guard, It’s the red’s death request not Guards.
You can however ask Guards to participate in a DR if it doesn’t directly involve killing them like for example playing obstacle course or fall game. The Warden does not have to participate.
FF may be used during DR but the last red must specify if Guards can teamkill as this is the only instance where it can be allowed.

Prisoners are also entitled to a DR after they have chosen their LR. The DR must take a maximum of 2 minutes to prevent delaying, if it lasts longer the Warden or guards can end the round by killing them.

There has been many players including myself, who has always found DRs to be more often than not tedious. Death requests usually go one or two ways

It operates normally and the player completes his dr within the two minute time limit.

OR

The last red takes more than his alloted 2 minutes and is not killed.

The question we need to really ask here is if DR is something needs to be adjusted. Currently, in order for this to be adjusted plugin wise, kevin needs to manually adjust the plugin which seems inplausible. Our second option would be to do something like limiting the last red a 30 second timer to choose their lr and complete whatever they are doing once they are given LR. Some others say that the round could also just be concluded by killing the last red once lr is chosen but im personally not a fan of this. Or you could be somebody who simply doesnt have a problem with the current status quo.

Let's talk about this! how do you feel about DR? Do you think limiting DR to 30 seconds is a good idea? Is the current DR rules acceptable? Let's talk about it!

If we get some solid feedback and some movement towards change, we can transition this to a full blown suggestion but i want to start by picking yer brains.

If people

 

[Kapu1178]

People should not be taking more than 30 seconds to give a death request. Any longer is just delaying the round.

 

[Mehgend]

I don’t mind DR, just wish the 2 minutes thing was enforced

 

[Cowboy]

I don’t mind DR, just wish the 2 minutes thing was enforced

buddy ur an admin

 

[Religious Leader Carl]

Since making dr optional seems even more dumb ig the 30 seconds is fair to keep from delaying

 

[silas]

I feel like DR should be limited to 30 seconds to pick and 1 minute to finish your DR, but the Red is allowed to do ANYTHING within that DR that doesn't require an Admin or takes over a minute to complete (obby/climb w blus) e.g Blu Mini Hungergames where they actively fight

 

[Mehgend]

buddy ur an admin

I can’t enforce it when I’m not on! If it was enforced by everyone we’d have much less of a problem

 

[Semicolon Backslash]

replace death requests with freak requests

 

[CutePyro0]

People should not be taking more than 30 seconds to give a death request. Any longer is just delaying the round.

I agree is not the people who are not killed after the 2 minutes being a issue its is players who after winning the LR take ages to type it in and do the same for their death request

one user got so bad at doing this i started immediately stating a time to type their lr and dr failer to complie will result in you being KOS.

i suggest making an adjustment to the rules that allow guards and the warden to kill the red after 30 seconds from the lr being given for example:

I win LR at 6:00 i Have untill 5:30 to choose my LR and state my DR
i choose my DR i now have untill 4:00 to complete my DR then i am killed

however if i do not choose a lr/DR by the 5:30 i'm killed by the blues for delay obviously the red can just ask for more time as they are typing out a long LR but then u would be required to say/state your DR in the meantime

so many people at the moment will take ages simply to type "hg <modifiers>" when it takes like 10 seconds

 

[Socks]

DR should be limited to 30 seconds and after 30 seconds of picking LR all blues should get slayed by a plugin like how blues die 2 minutes after warden dies.

 

[Cowboy]

I can’t enforce it when I’m not on! If it was enforced by everyone we’d have much less of a problem

This is the major problem i have and others have with the death request rules. Its one of the rules that is not enforced even by some of our admins, its something we could probably plan to crack down on no matter what the result of the feedback thread is.

If the DR goes over two minutes, theres no actual punishments being made so it just enables blues to be lazy and just afk while the red finishes what they are doing. If we restrict it to 30 seconds after lr is given, reds can finish whatever they are doing and people can finish the round and the players who are in spectator dont have to watch johnnygamer2092 spend 5 minutes in obby or whatever hes doing.

 

[Cowboy]

DR should be limited to 30 seconds and after 30 seconds of picking LR all blues should get slayed by a plugin like how blues die 2 minutes after warden dies.

plugin adjustments to fix this rule is currently impossible, this discussion is adjustment of the written rules only.

to repeat myself, plugin adjustments for DR is not being discussed here.

 

[moon_IV]

The easiest thing to do would be to normalize executing the LR recipient after 2 minutes (or 30 seconds if that's what it's changed to), people will cry about being freekilled for a few weeks but then everyone will get used to it. If possible add a timestamp that shows up in chat when an LR is selected, that way there is no grey area. Not sure if that is possible to do plugin wise but that's my suggestion.

 

[dimitree]

A person actually doing the death request isn't even the issue.

I think the issue is wardens and gaurds inactively playing at the end of the round.
*I think the biggest issue for blus is the fact that once LR is given BLUs don't take the DR portion seriously as the round is near the end.

I often will see just a random guard not even do the DR and just goofing around the map. <------------- Read atleast
Warden normally does the DR with some of the active BLUs.


I believe the biggest issue is just waiting for the last red to type the DR as 99% they run about wasteing another whole min or two.
I'm not really sure how you could tackle this problem but normally if I'm warden I tell the red they have like 20-30 seconds to type their DR.<---------------------------- Read atleast

The only like solution I could think of is I think who ever wins the LR should be forced to afk till they pick the LR and DR. On top of this I think blu's that run around the map should be atleast like warned or something for not participating.

I think binning of the two min timer to 30 seconds is mega over kill. People should be rewarded for being the last non rebelling red alive, I personally believe they should get to enjoy it rather then rush through it cause half the other lobby got skill issued or rng diffed.

 

[BritishMafia]

If possible add a timestamp that shows up in chat when an LR is selected, that way there is no grey area.

Yes, I myself am guilty for letting dr's go for too long, but that is mostly because I dont know when they started, so this would be amazing (I know we arnt talking about plugins)

 

[Bananawastaken]

Tbh a timestamp isn’t needed, we already know the timer works (when it’s enforced lol) so I think just changing the rule to
“Reds have 2 Minutes to pick a last request and death request” would work wonders.

 

[Nergal Nergalton]

People should not be taking more than 30 seconds to give a death request. Any longer is just delaying the round.

Unfair trivia

 

[TiPhoenix]

I have no issues with DR. The delay issue is mostly due to Blus not knowing about th 2 minute DR timer. I've also had people tell me 'only warden gives out DR' which I knew was wrong. Long story short... the Blus hardly know the rules regarding DR so hopefully this post acts as a good informant.

 

[KyePerson]

I feel like if you wanted to play a minigame you could just make that your lr instead or choose freeday. DR should be strictly limited to choosing how you die. Like "I wish to die fighting a Blu" or "I wish for me and the blus to die to sweeper pole". So I would support lowering the timer to a minute or less.

 

[CutePyro0]

report anyone who is not participating in DR and/or wondering around the map (warden exempt) for being a inactive guard nothing will change if people simply don't report inactive guards

A person actually doing the death request isn't even the issue.

I think the issue is wardens and gaurds inactively playing at the end of the round.
*I think the biggest issue for blus is the fact that once LR is given BLUs don't take the DR portion seriously as the round is near the end.

I often will see just a random guard not even do the DR and just goofing around the map. <------------- Read atleast
Warden normally does the DR with some of the active BLUs.


I believe the biggest issue is just waiting for the last red to type the DR as 99% they run about wasteing another whole min or two.
I'm not really sure how you could tackle this problem but normally if I'm warden I tell the red they have like 20-30 seconds to type their DR.<---------------------------- Read atleast

The only like solution I could think of is I think who ever wins the LR should be forced to afk till they pick the LR and DR. On top of this I think blu's that run around the map should be atleast like warned or something for not participating.

I think binning of the two min timer to 30 seconds is mega over kill. People should be rewarded for being the last non rebelling red alive, I personally believe they should get to enjoy it rather then rush through it cause half the other lobby got skill issued or rng diffed.