Declined [2FORT] I'd like to have the thirdperson command removed (1 Viewer)

[CheeseEgg]

As the title says, I'd like to have the thirdperson command removed from the US 2fort server, and I'll give my reasons as to why.

1.) It gives players that don't know about that being allowed, an very unfair advantage (hell I didn't even know about it until recently, and I've been playing for quite some time now)

2.) It encourages some very unfun and lame gameplay. People that camp and hide in their base, are able to use thirdperson to gain an advantage over those that are moving in on their location, and overall just encourages some very lame and boring playstyles.

3.) It changes the balances of the classes. Certain classes, such as soldier and demo in particular, can utilize the third person much more effectively than other classes, on a map that already favored these classes so much to begin with.

4.) It makes it SO much harder to pin point actual cheats and those that are walling, since they can easily just claim they're using tp, and you have to really have some good footage of them blatantly walling in order to get rid of them. I feel like having this command not only increases the amount of false reports that you get, but helps cheaters get away with cheating, even if it's just by a small amount.

I understand that it's just 2fort, and people don't generally take the map seriously, and that's perfectly fine, but I do feel like the reasons I've listed above all contribute to less fun gameplay over all. Especially the part with cheaters. No one wants to play with cheaters, even on 2fort, and I think removing this command would help, even if it's just a little bit.

 

[Rand]

CheeseEgg, your description/reasons explain the problems with TP exactly. Kudos to you.

 

[_Black]

As the title says, I'd like to have the thirdperson command removed from the US 2fort server, and I'll give my reasons as to why.

1.) It gives players that don't know about that being allowed, an very unfair advantage (hell I didn't even know about it until recently, and I've been playing for quite some time now)

2.) It encourages some very unfun and lame gameplay. People that camp and hide in their base, are able to use thirdperson to gain an advantage over those that are moving in on their location, and overall just encourages some very lame and boring playstyles.

3.) It changes the balances of the classes. Certain classes, such as soldier and demo in particular, can utilize the third person much more effectively than other classes, on a map that already favored these classes so much to begin with.

4.) It makes it SO much harder to pin point actual cheats and those that are walling, since they can easily just claim they're using tp, and you have to really have some good footage of them blatantly walling in order to get rid of them. I feel like having this command not only increases the amount of false reports that you get, but helps cheaters get away with cheating, even if it's just by a small amount.

I understand that it's just 2fort, and people don't generally take the map seriously, and that's perfectly fine, but I do feel like the reasons I've listed above all contribute to less fun gameplay over all. Especially the part with cheaters. No one wants to play with cheaters, even on 2fort, and I think removing this command would help, even if it's just a little bit.

I think its quite easy to distinguishing tp and wallhacks from their pov, TP users often look away from the side they are looking at in a 40 degree angle , while wallhackers just simply look straight at them.
If this would be a more comp style server then I would agree to it, but as you said, its just 2fort and more for goofing around

 

[_Black]

And then again, would you also ban stationary taunts that force you into tp?

 

[CheeseEgg]

And then again, would you also ban stationary taunts that force you into tp?

Valve literally removed the ability to det stickies while taunting for this very reason. You can't kill people with weapons while taunting, so no, it's not a problem. It takes time to stop a taunt and is more than fair. As for distinguishing between thirdperson/wall hacks, you are correct that there are subtle differences, but a cheater that wanted to cover their tracks could easily do both. It doesn't make it impossible to detect, but makes it that much harder, which was my point. And like I said, it being 2fort and not taken seriously, doesn't mean I'm wrong about it being unfair/unfun, and encouraging some really lame gameplay. It's just way too easy to abuse, and it's just not personally fun to play against.

 

[_Black]

Valve literally removed the ability to det stickies while taunting for this very reason. You can't kill people with weapons while taunting, so no, it's not a problem. It takes time to stop a taunt and is more than fair. As for distinguishing between thirdperson/wall hacks, you are correct that there are subtle differences, but a cheater that wanted to cover their tracks could easily do both. It doesn't make it impossible to detect, but makes it that much harder, which was my point. And like I said, it being 2fort and not taken seriously, doesn't mean I'm wrong about it being unfair/unfun, and encouraging some really lame gameplay. It's just way too easy to abuse, and it's just not personally fun to play against.

use high five > wait for someone to approach > quit taunt and detonate.

By the way, if you were so bothered by someones playstyle or curious. Why did you never mention it through chat (unless you use voice mainly)

But again if you think something is suspicious, feel free to record footage (demo preferable) and report it if you think he is. Admins will have a close look at it, if it turns out to not be cheats, it gets declined and you have peace of mind.
If he indeed is, welp peace of mind aswell.

While I may agree that it might sucks gameplay wise, I dont think too many people are actually bothered by this that it will remove the tp function (which would probably annoy more than having it stay)

 

[Rand]

use high five > wait for someone to approach > quit taunt and detonate.

By the way, if you were so bothered by someones playstyle or curious. Why did you never mention it through chat (unless you use voice mainly)

But again if you think something is suspicious, feel free to record footage (demo preferable) and report it if you think he is. Admins will have a close look at it, if it turns out to not be cheats, it gets declined and you have peace of mind.
If he indeed is, welp peace of mind aswell.

While I may agree that it might sucks gameplay wise, I dont think too many people are actually bothered by this that it will remove the tp function (which would probably annoy more than having it stay)

That is exploiting the game/TP imo.

b) Exploiting
Using any exploits to your advantage, such as map defects, point farming (gameme / hlxstats ), bypassing AFK manager or manipulated game files, is strictly forbidden. Ask your admin if you are not sure whether something is allowed. This includes building a teleporter-exit in your spawn to let enemy spies enter. This means building a teleporter entrance in a certain area where disguised spies can use them. Do not explain, assist or show others how to exploit / point farm.

Just my opinion, and yes, it bothers me. I feel that it breaks the game.

 

[CheeseEgg]

use high five > wait for someone to approach > quit taunt and detonate.

By the way, if you were so bothered by someones playstyle or curious. Why did you never mention it through chat (unless you use voice mainly)

But again if you think something is suspicious, feel free to record footage (demo preferable) and report it if you think he is. Admins will have a close look at it, if it turns out to not be cheats, it gets declined and you have peace of mind.
If he indeed is, welp peace of mind aswell.

While I may agree that it might sucks gameplay wise, I dont think too many people are actually bothered by this that it will remove the tp function (which would probably annoy more than having it stay)

Yes, you can taunt like that, but you're immobile while doing so, and there's a slight delay as well. It's not so easy to make effective with most strategies, and it's not a big deal. Taunting is pretty much a non-issue, and has never bothered me. TP is far worse for that sort of thing, and way easier to abuse. For example, you're not going to rev up as a heavy, or draw back a bow with huntsman, the delay for detting stickies is too great, etc...

I haven't bothered openly complaining about tp on the server, because it's better suited to discussing on here. No point in ranting about it ingame really. I have on mic called out this particular cheater that I'm in the process of gathering evidence/compiling footage of with some people I know, but that's a rabbit hole. The only reason I even mention it, is because that cheater is trying to act like they're just using tp, when I've caught them clearly prefiring and knowing exactly where other people are in situations where tp woudn't work. The other reason I mentioned cheaters in this thread is because I know Friskee uses tp, and has been accused of cheating because of that, even though Firskee almost certainly isn't cheating. Hence false hackusations as a result. That's just the ones that bother posting about it on the forums.

Perhaps you're right that most people want tp on. That's fine, I'm still going to state my opinion on it, and anyone else that might agree can add in their two cents as well.

I view having that as an option as being more problematic than good for most people. Sure I know some people (sorry friskee lol) swear by it, and enjoy it, but I've seen first hand the sort of tactics that get abused as a result.

 

[snowy]

Yes, you can taunt like that, but you're immobile while doing so, and there's a slight delay as well. It's not so easy to make effective with most strategies, and it's not a big deal. Taunting is pretty much a non-issue, and has never bothered me. TP is far worse for that sort of thing, and way easier to abuse. For example, you're not going to rev up as a heavy, or draw back a bow with huntsman, the delay for detting stickies is too great, etc...

To add on to that, every time time a taunt is started to peek around a corner, there's at least a sound cue, even if it's just at the start like high five. Meanwhile, third person doesn't announce your location every time you use it making it much safer in that aspect, too.

 

[Bananawastaken]

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