Declined Ban Apeal (1 Viewer)

[o|o]

Sourceban ban url: https://bans.panda-community.com/index.php?p=commslist&advSearch=STEAM_0:0:72958298&advType=steamid
Name of my banned steam account : Not leafy at the time but im signed up as o|o on this website and go by o|o
Steam ID : STEAM_0:0:72958298
Date and time: 09-11-16 05:32
Reason: I was on the server named as not leafy and using a sound board to spam. im am very sorry and i promise i will never spam again
Admin that banned me: Cryptic
Why should i be unmuted: I was doing somthing very childish on the server and i am extremly sorry and will refrain from doing anything that gets me in troble.

 

[Zushikikato Wolfeh]

Those other 6 warnings weren't enough to be sorry about?

 

[o|o]

i am also very sorry for all those but they arnt as recent as this one

 

[Capri]

I'm strongly against this appeal. I may not have been as active on panda as I had been before, but I still don't want people like you getting another chance after 6 gags/mutes/bans.
You will do it again, probably ever since you joined the server, you've been toxic. You disrespect people by calling them cunts, etc; you also spam in chat.
They are recent, probably like around a month ago. Then you go and say, "but I swear I didn't do that." Now you're admitting that you've been childish. Dude, you even know that you're breaking the rules and you'll get punished if someone reports you or if an admin sees you in game.

Your perm silence is deserved. Come back when you know you've matured and learned to stop being toxic and disrespectful towards others.

 

[o|o]

First of all noir was being a jerk to me and guppy and he can back that up he was calling us names and bad after he killed us then when we started calling him names back he spoke to you and you instantly took his side, second of all i spammed the chat because there was a hacker on and i finnalykilled him you joinred for one second and gaged me then left. you have never liked me you are saying this under your own personal feeling

 

[Capri]

No, I don't like your behavior in game. Other than that, when you're not breaking the rules, you're funny and all that. But it's my job to enforce the rules, I don't care if it's a good friend of mine, I gotta do what I gotta do. From what you and noir said were two different things on how it triggered you to say "furfag" and "this guy should be shot in the head."
I even let you SLIDE with some things you said on mic. I recall you saying in a quiet voice, "move cunt."

And for the hacker, I think it was call that said you were spamming. I joined, then looked at your chatlog since you instantly stopped when I came. I even sent you your chatlog after I gagged you and it clearly showed you were spamming.

 

[Cryptic]

I may not have been as active on panda as I had been before, but I still don't want people like you getting another chance after 6 gags/mutes/bans.

Well, that's the sole purpose of appeals; giving players another chance to right their wrongs. It wouldn't be fair to automatically go against an appeal, just because the player has reached the maximum number of offenses.

You will do it again, probably ever since you joined the server, you've been toxic. You disrespect people by calling them cunts, etc; you also spam in chat.

Saying he'll do it again is a false premise. Who are you to say what he's gonna do? I wasn't aware that you can predict the future. Saying these types of things won't encourage the player to do better, 'cause you're suggesting there's no room for improvement.

You disrespect people by calling them cunts, etc; you also spam in chat.

If he's been disrespecting players by insulting 'em, how come you've never gagged or muted him for that specific reason? Both your gag and mute was for spamming, not insulting. Only Madact has gagged him for insulting players.

From what you and noir said were two different things on how it triggered you to say "furfag" and "this guy should be shot in the head." I even let you SLIDE with some things you said on mic. I recall you saying in a quiet voice, "move cunt."

I've been in contact with o|o, and he says he doesn't recall saying these specific remarks towards Noir. That doesn't really matter, 'cause this situation should be dropped, unless there's evidence regarding it. For future reference, if a situation like this occurs again, you should punish both players for insulting. The severity of insults is irrelevant; insults are insults. If you wanna look at it from o|o's perspective, he wouldn't have insulted Noir, if Noir didn't provoke him.

Personally, I'd give o|o his last chance to redeem himself. If he happens to insult or spam again, so be it. Ban him for good.

 

[Zushikikato Wolfeh]

Give him another chance you say @Cryptic he has litterly been banned just over a week ago. Let him wait i say. to make sure he REALLY is sorry and let him think about it

 

[Capri]

Well, that's the sole purpose of appeals; giving players another chance to right their wrongs. It wouldn't be fair to automatically go against an appeal, just because the player has reached the maximum number of offenses.

Saying he'll do it again is a false premise. Who are you to say what he's gonna do?

So after almost 6-7 days after getting perm mute, you expect him to magically learn his lesson. It didn't show that he learned from his previous mutes. He just suddenly became mature and now he won't disrespect others or spam anymore. Heh, after a perm people realize then that it's wrong to break the rules. You're basically saying that it's okay to unmute him because he'll "never do it again." I understand if it's been over 4-6 months since his perm mute, but almost a week?

If he's been disrespecting players by insulting 'em, how come you've never gagged or muted him for that specific reason?

I was never there, but I've looked through his chatlog back then and asked @Tsumiki to gag him. She told me she couldn't web gag people. And whenever I'm in game with him (which is rarely) he never really breaks the rules.

Personally, I'd give o|o his last chance to redeem himself. If he happens to insult or spam again, so be it. Ban him for good.

Last chance?? He knows spamming is against the rules. Yet he did it on mic after I gagged him for spamming. It's been almost a week, you even perm'd mute him, and you want to give him another chance? If you wanted to give him another chance, why did you perm him in the first place? If you warned him, and he ignored them, why bother unmuting this guy. (Not saying if you actually warned him or not, but if you did, why instantly forgive him?)

 

[Cryptic]

Let him wait i say. to make sure he REALLY is sorry and let him think about it

Lemme ask you something, how do you differentiate whether someone is "really" sorry or not? Haha trick question, you can't! You can't tell me how o|o feels, unless you're him yourself.

For me, apologies are a two-step process.
Step 1: Apologizing
Step 2: Fulfilling your apology, by changing your actions.

As the saying goes, "actions speak larger than words." He can write an entire essay apologizing if he'd like to, but that won't mean shit, if he continues doing the things he's sorry for. I'm pretty sure that's what you were looking for, but lemme tell you that's not efficient. What is efficient is letting him prove whether he's sorry or not through his actions, not words. The problem is, he can't prove that if he's banned. How're we gonna know whether his ways have changed, if we can't even communicate with him?

You're basically saying that it's okay to unmute him because he'll "never do it again."

No, I'm saying to unmute him, so he'll be given a chance to prove whether he's changed or not. I even said, if he decides to flout the rules once more to ban him for good.

 

[Capri]

People don't change within one week, Cryptic.

I'd say, wait a couple months, so he knows what he's doing is not tolerated by the community and towards the admins.

 

[Zushikikato Wolfeh]

Lemme ask you something, how do you differentiate whether someone is "really" sorry or not? Haha trick question, you can't! You can't tell me how o|o feels, unless you're him yourself.

For me, apologies are a two-step process.
Step 1: Apologizing
Step 2: Fulfilling your apology, by changing your actions.

As the saying goes, "actions speak larger than words." He can write an entire essay apologizing if he'd like to, but that won't mean shit, if he continues doing the things he's sorry for. I'm pretty sure that's what you were looking for, but lemme tell you that's not efficient. What is efficient is letting him prove whether he's sorry or not through his actions, not words. The problem is, he can't prove that if he's banned. How're we gonna know whether his ways have changed, if we can't even communicate with him?


No, I'm saying to unmute him, so he'll be given a chance to prove whether he's changed or not. I even said, if he decides to flout the rules once more to ban him for good.

as i said. let him wait a few months. he got permed for a reason. would be stupid to unban after less then 2 weeks. Why even perma punish them to begin with?

Also. Sorry Always comes to late. he has 7 punishements if he wasn't sorry after 4-5 punishments then i don't care about his sorry now. IMO he has to wait a few months.

 

[EvoWarrior5]

Well, that's the sole purpose of appeals; giving players another chance to right their wrongs.

Actually, ban appeals are solely about the validity of the punishment. The punishment was valid. If he apologises and asks for another chance, it is an unban request. It is just that the community has always treated them as if they are synonymous.

It wouldn't be fair to automatically go against an appeal, just because the player has reached the maximum number of offenses.

It is, though. If a player is too dense to learn their lesson after 6 punishments, how could people possibly be expected to learn after a week. Capri is right, time needs to pass. The punishment is kinda meaningless if it can be removed on the snap of a finger.

If you really want to make sure they are sorry and have a better chance of improving their behaviour, you should be sure (1) the punishment had some impact, and (2) the player appears loyal to the server. Both these things increase as longer amounts of time pass.

You can argue that he will just be permed again if he does it again, sure, but after this amount of punishments and this short of a timespan there is just so little chance of this going well. I guess you could still do it and do that for everyone, but then the question becomes: do you really want the community to hand out unbans like candy? Which is subjective I guess. I would not do that.

 

[Cryptic]

If you really want to make sure they are sorry and have a better chance of improving their behaviour, you should be sure (1) the punishment had some impact, and (2) the player appears loyal to the server. Both these things increase as longer amounts of time pass.

This punishment has impacted the player; that's why he's choosing to appeal it. If permanently silencing him had little to no effect, he wouldn't have cared to make an appeal.

I just don't think time is an efficient way to decide whether someone is truly sorry, or if they've improved. For example, my friend was permanently gagged for a year. I would constantly insist him to appeal, but he refused to do so, saying he didn't care. When he finally made an appeal, it was accepted promptly, mainly because of the one year wait. You would think his actions improved, but I still find myself warning him about the rules. Everyone's different. People can change instantaneously, if they choose to do so, or people can remain the same throughout a period of time.

 

[Capri]

This punishment has impacted the player; that's why he's choosing to appeal it.

so for every unban/mute/gag appeal, they should instantly be accepted because they're showing that they care and want to return to the servers? So we're going to take the risk and watch the people who've appealed so we make sure that they've learned their lesson. Which creates much more work for the admins.

Honestly, if that's how it works, then everyone who's serving a punishment can just create an unban request and be accepted right away.

Certain people just make an appeal just to return and break the rules again. If they can't learn from their previous mistakes, why bother giving them another chance in such a short time after each punishment.
Time does matter because it gives them time to think about their wrongs and that they shouldn't do it again.

 

[Cryptic]

@Capri, I'm gonna stop replying to you, 'cause I hate having to repeat myself. I can reply to your comments, by simply quoting what I've previously stated before.

Anyway, this is getting outta hand. Decline, as you will. After a few months, o|o will most likely appeal again. But this time, the appeal will be accepted, because of the amount of time that has passed. Will there be any evidence that shows signs of improvement? Of course not, but we'll just assume that time has taught him well, even though that's not necessarily always the case.

 

[Zushikikato Wolfeh]

is this your friend or little brother or something? i have never seen you defend someone this hard before

 

[KomodoHunters14]

All these assumptions, Now lets say that the unmute is accepted. Well done you win, he finally can talk again yippee but then again after 6 times of these mutes/gags and getting a perm he should of learnt his lesson eh? The thing is i have seen these happen on other servers before, they get Permed and appeal, Pity is taken on them and they are unbanned/muted/gagged and the very first thing they do is go back to being the Toxic pricks they are.

Its called a Perm for a reason, they have done it enough so now they pay the ultimate price for their idiocy. If i had any control over this i most likely wouldn't let people back on after they get permed because they did it, now they pay for it. I honestly think that you shouldn't be able to appeal for unmute/ban/gag if you have been permed unless the very reason behind the mute/ban/gag was false, Its their fault for being a idiot in the servers and breaking the rules. If they want to prove it they are late, there is no reason to trust someone who has done it enough for them to never be able to do it again.

 

[Lighty]

After a few months, o|o will most likely appeal again. But this time, the appeal will be accepted, because of the amount of time that has passed. Will there be any evidence that shows signs of improvement? Of course not, but we'll just assume that time has taught him well, even though that's not necessarily always the case.

I don't think he deserves an ungag/unmute since he got them in such a short amount of time and 1 week waiting time really isn't enough for him to change. After a few months when he does appeal it will get accepted yes but if he is caught breaking the rules once more he will get the perm back up without the chance of an appeal.

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is this your friend or little brother or something? i have never seen you defend someone this hard before

can agree to that, does look like it

Anyway, this is getting outta hand. Decline, as you will....

Declined and closed