Declined Spray appeal (1 Viewer)

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Vecomti

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SourceBans Ban URL: Panda Community SourceBans
Name of your Banned Steam Account: Vec :)
Steam ID: STEAM_1:0:96602714
Date and Time of the Ban: Around 17 CET
Reason about the spray: Offensive I suppose?
Admin that Banned you: Mikey
Why should you receive a unban for the ban / gag / mute: First of all, I would like to refer to the incident of the spray ban.

I was asked repeatedly by Mikey to remove the spray, and everytime he said so I tried to explain there is nothing offensive about the spray. When he stated that it was my last warning; remove it (or maybe change it?), I told him I didn't know how to, and that I'd leave the server so it'd disappear. When I rejoined, every spray on the server was gone for me so I had no clue if it worked or not. I therefore asked and he didn't reply, then shortly after I was spray banned. So from the get-go, I tried to listen (although I didn't think it was an admin telling me to do it, but I'll get to that later), but I suppose there was some misunderstanding? Perhaps he thought I was being defiant and didn't want to remove it, while not hearing what I said on voice chat?

Secondly; I did not know Mikey was an admin. I figured it was a normal person who was offended or something; his name was in red, and he was on RED team, so I didn't see anything telling me "Oh, this guy plays here a lot, he knows the rules/is an admin". In addition: He didn't give any reasons to remove the spray, he didn't talk to me with admin chat as every 2fort admin does when enforcing rules, and he isn't on the 2fort admin list (nor does he play there a lot), so you might understand the situation.

So over to my last point. The rule the spray would've broken is this:
"Both the offensive language and offensive spray rules include pro-war exclamations or expressing a positive attitude towards terrorists, dictators or otherwise controversial figures. Keep that stuff out of the servers; it's a video game, not a place to express your controversial political viewpoints." The part about positive attitude towards dictators/controversial figures.
I understand the 'Not a place to express your controversial political views", but my spray was merely a meme, not a political view. In addition, it did in no way portray Hitler in any positive light or promote what he stands for. It is merely Hitler as a chef with shitty anime eyes.

Thanks for reading my appeal for Team Fortress 2, 2fort, and my favourite class is the Spy.

Spray in question:
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Maxel

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By far, it makes sense that you got spraybanned for it.

It doesn't matter who would be admin or not.
Breaking the rules can't be tolerated with excuses like these.

You even mentioned the reason for the sprayban, that political themes like dictators can not be tolerated in the server.
 

Vecomti

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By far, it makes sense that you got spraybanned for it.

It doesn't matter who would be admin or not.
Breaking the rules can't be tolerated with excuses like these.

You even mentioned the reason for the sprayban, that political themes like dictators can not be tolerated in the server.
I fully disagree. It would matter who tells me to stop. If a player asks me to stop talking because it's annoying, I obviously wont listen to them. Who should I listen to? An admin telling me to do something to prevent me from breaking a rule, or a random person I've never met and never seen on the server? And in this case, I had no way of knowing which was which because he didn't give any reasoning for it.

As for the 'reason' for it. I didn't think I was breaking any rules, and I still don't really do. There are no political themes with the image, and the rule states I should exclude them only if I put them in positive light. I interpet this as not being allowed to ruin or disturb anyone's experience with things that aren't necessarily illegal, but has no place in a video game. This is a meme picture of Hitler, and you can barely tell it is him.
EDIT: Even if you could tell it is him, the picture is clearly just fun. Imagine if it was chef Churchill, or chef Atilla. The picture doesn't condone anything they have done. It's just funny seeing a historical character as a funny picture.
 
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Mikey

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As a start, I just say this:

I HATE LIARS.

I was asked repeatedly by Mikey to remove the spray, and everytime he said so I tried to explain there is nothing offensive about the spray. When he stated that it was my last warning; remove it (or maybe change it?), I told him I didn't know how to, and that I'd leave the server so it'd disappear. When I rejoined, every spray on the server was gone for me so I had no clue if it worked or not. I therefore asked and he didn't reply, then shortly after I was spray banned. So from the get-go, I tried to listen (although I didn't think it was an admin telling me to do it, but I'll get to that later), but I suppose there was some misunderstanding? Perhaps he thought I was being defiant and didn't want to remove it, while not hearing what I said on voice chat?
You've been told, not once, not twice, but THRICE to change the spray in question. You got spray-banned after rejoining because you left on your own telling you was changing that (in voice chat), and you did not. For safety, I always record my games so I can check it out whenever I'd want, to avoid the most of this kind of misunderstandings.
Secondly; I did not know Mikey was an admin. I figured it was a normal person who was offended or something; his name was in red, and he was on RED team, so I didn't see anything telling me "Oh, this guy plays here a lot, he knows the rules/is an admin". In addition: He didn't give any reasons to remove the spray, he didn't talk to me with admin chat as every 2fort admin does when enforcing rules, and he isn't on the 2fort admin list (nor does he play there a lot), so you might understand the situation.
I had been there from about, good 15/20 minutes I believe? Always gave warnings to players and sometimes gagging/muting or banning an user, so it's not difficult to recognize me as an admin. Also, you should be always aware of an admin coming online, or just one being undercover, like this case.
I did not know Mikey was an admin.
Looks like now you know it.
So over to my last point. The rule the spray would've broken is this:
"Both the offensive language and offensive spray rules include pro-war exclamations or expressing a positive attitude towards terrorists, dictators or otherwise controversial figures. Keep that stuff out of the servers; it's a video game, not a place to express your controversial political viewpoints." The part about positive attitude towards dictators/controversial figures.
I understand the 'Not a place to express your controversial political views", but my spray was merely a meme, not a political view. In addition, it did in no way portray Hitler in any positive light or promote what he stands for. It is merely Hitler as a chef with shitty anime eyes.
As your spray it's hard to consider like a meme without those anime eyes. As the first part, looks that you understood it and I won't say anything more.
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Last thing, after this boring, I have to DECLINE your spray ban appeal.
 
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