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Source of "No Days" rule? (Jailbreak)

Discussion in 'Questions' started by Ketteii, Oct 11, 2017.

  1. Ketteii

    Ketteii Member

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    There's a fairly common and well-spoken rule. "No Days." The rule invalidates commands like "Panda Freeday" or "Out of Cell Rebel Day" (even if that's a valid command).

    Looking at the Rules page, there's no source for this rule's existence. Is it a false rule? A couple people said it originated with an admin who brought this as a false rule.

    Just wonderin'.
     
  2. Husky

    Husky Trial Gameserver Admin
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    There is really 1 main rule, Tricking & then Orders being overwritten. It is also mentioned under Warden Rules/Rights as ""Day related" orders fall under this too, out of cell day will be overruled if the Warden gives the order to come out of the cell for example."
     
  3. ghostpieguy

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    So days aren't banned?
     
  4. Husky

    Husky Trial Gameserver Admin
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    They are.
     
  5. ghostpieguy

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    But you just said that it isn't a day if the warden overrules it implying that days aren't banned
     
  6. Husky

    Husky Trial Gameserver Admin
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    What?
    It says "If you were to say "Out of cell rebel day" and then say "All reds go to the blue line"", that would mean that "out of cell rebel day" is overwritten by "go to the yellow line". Meaning, you have to go to the yellow line or you're rebelling.
     
  7. yoyoyaso2222

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    Steam:
    I will explain this in a simpler manner

    It means the rule and the day would conflict so it's better off that days are banned.
     
  8. ghostpieguy

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    I understand that @Husky@Husky but you're saying that New orders that contradict days overrule days which makes days seem banned bu than you also said that Days are banned.
     
  9. Husky

    Husky Trial Gameserver Admin
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    What in the world did you just say.
    Days are tricking. Consider the fact that there was no rule saying new orders override. Think about how it would be tricking. It's like saying "all reds go to the silver line when there is none over-exaggerated ye ye and then killing anyone who left their cells. Doesn't seem fair does it? Same applies to days.
     
  10. Ketteii

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    Days are not banned, at least according to the rule page. Nowhere does it say that days are banned. It does say that the current warden's orders override any previous commands he had given.

    It would make sense if days were banned, because the majority usage of day commands create a situation in which the 'previous commands are overridden' rule is ignored, and as a result, cause freekill. The fact stands - nowhere does it say days are banned in the Rules page.

    @Husky@Husky, according to what you're saying, any situation in which previous orders override current orders is considered trickery. In that case, Simon Says should be banned, as well as next round LRs (for example, when the LR was "All REDs crouch next round." That's a 'day' command.) Obviously, that's not what constitutes trickery.

    If days are banned, it should be written down on the Rules page. Could we also get a clear boundary of what constitutes as 'tricking' or 'trickery'?

    Days are not tricking - it's the exact same thing as Simon Says or LR. If days are banned, why? If they are banned, why doesn't it say that anywhere on the Rules page (unless I'm blind)? They aren't written down, there's a clear case of something that is fundamentally the same being allowed; why aren't days allowed?
     
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  11. yoyoyaso2222

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    Steam:
    Quoted from the rules:

    The Warden can't trick Prisoners by giving them misleading names or vague orders.
    "Day related" orders fall under this too, out of cell day will be overruled if the Warden gives the order to come out of the cell

    Technically they are banned because it says warden can't give misleading names or vague orders "Day related"

    We should get a clear boundary but here are a few examples of what would be considered tricking:

    1. Saying "Go to nine square then killing some one that goes inside nine square"
    2. Saying "When I say start obby you have to start" then saying "Go" and killing everyone who started
    3. Saying "kill this blu" this is considered tricking because you can't pardon but you can kill them
    I 100% agree that simon says and minigames like that should be banned it should be considered tricking it can be used to favour sometimes too.
     
  12. DragonBlaze

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    I mean, days aren't banned per say. However, a decent portion of the Panda JB are new and are unfamiliar with our over riding rule. Hopefully to prevent confusion we just say days are banned. In any case, if the warden initiates a day it will be pointless anyhow as it will be immediatly over ridden. The rule doesn't seem to matter as much with experienced players, but I see a lot of people who get confused with things such as "Out of Cell Rebel"

    Maybe just reword it to "Days are Unrecommended" or whatever we want to say.
     
  13. Zushikikato Wolfeh

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    Days aren't Allowed. Only mass freekilling comes outof it or a bunch of smartasses who think they can avoid it.. FOR EXAMPLE Outof cell rebel day.... Moment warden says another order it is always, or ppl stay in their cell and say " i gove a new order so the day doesn't count anymore" or " I said it was a day so you have to stay inside of it"
    Spam call bot with freekilling, a bunch of crying.... ect
     
    #13 Zushikikato Wolfeh, Oct 12, 2017
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  14. Ketteii

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    Precisely the point - it isn't allowed, but it needs to be in the rules somewhere. If it's a rule, it should be there. <:
     
  15. yoyoyaso2222

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    Steam:
    @Ketteii@Ketteii didn't you read what I said: "technically they are banned because in the rules it says you can't give day related orders
     
  16. Ketteii

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    I saw it. I'm asking for an explicit rule being put on the Rules page, instead of a minor subpoint underneath the tricking rule. A clear thing stating 'Days are banned.' or something along those lines. An elaboration on the tricking rules would also be much appreciated.
     
  17. yoyoyaso2222

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    Steam:
    Well if that's what you want make a suggestion thread to make the rules to specify that they are banned.
    I am sure you already knew this but asking here for it to be added won't do you any good.
    Anyways can an admin change the prefix to answered because it has been answered.