Declined [JB] So about these LR chains REDUX (1 Viewer)

[Cowboy]

Meowdy.

This post is a continuation and a redux you could say of an earlier suggestion found here: https://www.panda-community.com/threads/jb-so-about-these-lr-chains.34199/

I think this original post was on the right track, but i think there may be some better ways to handle a potential change which is what ill include here.

Firstly heres my suggested change:

Simply no longer allow Custom LRs to be played twice in a row. The proposed rule would look like this:

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No chaining Consecutive Custom LRs

Reds are not allowed to pick the same custom LR played the previous round. Any attempt to circumvent this rule by adjusting the parameters of the LR slightly will also invalidate the LR. Chaining Meatgrinder and Hungergames is also not allowed.

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This is very clear and concise and doesnt allow wiggle room for people looking to abuse it.

The other option is to simply put a cap to the number of Custom LRs playable that map, the number discussed appears to be 3-5, so i'll add an option for this as well.

As always, your feedback is very appreciated and look forward to hearing your responses.

 

[crubf]

Fine with both of these tbh, wish I could vote for both.

 

[Mehgend]

Restricting chaining LRs, fine I guess idk never been a deal breaker for me.

But oh my god the second option is horrendous.


Redo-ing LRs becomes wonky and has more pressure to be done as 3/5 LRs only.
Chaining LRs at the start = no chance of having a custom LR of your own even if you join 20 minutes into a map.
William Murdoch wouldn't be able to pick an LR.
etc. etc.

 

[PistolPoppinSince02]

Fine with both of these tbh, wish I could vote for both.

Feel the same here

 

[PistolPoppinSince02]

Restricting chaining LRs, fine I guess idk never been a deal breaker for me.

But oh my god the second option is horrendous.


Redo-ing LRs becomes wonky and has more pressure to be done as 3/5 LRs only.
Chaining LRs at the start = no chance of having a custom LR of your own even if you join 20 minutes into a map.
William Murdoch wouldn't be able to pick an LR.
etc. etc.

Then vote for the top option then instead of maintaining status quo

 

[BritishMafia]

William Murdoch wouldn't be able to pick an LR.

... I need to change my vote.

 

[Mehgend]

Then vote for the top option then instead of maintaining status quo

its just where my opinion leans towards rn. Maybe ill change it, but idk its never been something I felt personally super duper bothered with. I have other things I can do in between rounds after all. Just glad the alternative isn't caked in so many layers that nobody that inst heavily involved will know what the requirements are.

 

[PistolPoppinSince02]

its just where my opinion leans towards rn. Maybe ill change it, but idk its never been something I felt personally super duper bothered with. I have other things I can do in between rounds after all.

"I have other things I can do in between rounds after all" this is indictive of a problem.
If your response is go do something else, then obviously you don't enjoy it either.

When I play Jailbreak I want to play Jailbreak, not sit on my phone while the 8th HG of the map plays out.

 

[Mehgend]

"I have other things I can do in between rounds after all" this is indictive of a problem.
If your response is go do something else, then obviously you don't enjoy it either.

When I play Jailbreak I want to play Jailbreak, not sit on my phone while the 8th HG of the map plays out.

pre-admin id make spreadsheets and play a wrestling sim database game inbetween most rounds that weren't fun to watch lol. Just something I do

 

[CutePyro0]

William Murdoch wouldn't be able to pick an LR.

LR's that is this or simlar could be made exempt from the chaining limit of 2 since they don't effect the normal gameplay of the rounds compared to the actuall issues (hg/hns/ff)

the rule exemption could be stated like:

Custom last requests which do not effect the gameplay of the round is exempt from this chaining rule for example "taunting can't be restricted".



My thinking behind this exemption is when "taunting is not restricted" the warden can still do what ever they wish game wise unlike the real issues such as meatgrinders , HG,HNS and "<game> with FF at/on <time>"

 

[PistolPoppinSince02]

LR's that is this or simlar could be made exempt from the chaining limit of 2 since they don't effect the normal gameplay of the rounds compared to the actuall issues (hg/hns/ff)

the rule exemption could be stated like:

Custom last requests which do not effect the gameplay of the round is exempt from this chaining rule for example "taunting can't be restricted".



My thinking behind this exemption is when "taunting is not restricted" the warden can still do what ever they wish game wise unlike the real issues such as meatgrinders , HG,HNS and "<game> with FF at/on <time>"

It's a good idea, but ultimately muddles the resolution we are aiming for.
Something simple that slots into the current rules with just one sentence.
Adding conditionals could lead to confusion or disarray.

 

[_Black]

Yeah works for me.

 

[PistolPoppinSince02]

Giving further thought into this for people on the fence, I think it's important to look at the consequences both positively and negatively.

One of the main objectives in this suggestion is adding a stop-gap for those that abuse custom LRs to negatively affect other player's enjoyment.
This is a negative consequence (in regards to psychology) as we are removing something currently possible from the enviroment.
Many detractors will note the limitations of good faith actors, and this as well, is a negative consequence.

However, also observe the positive aspects.
I haven't given it all to much thought yet so other positive consequences exist, but the immediate positive consequence that comes to mind is the introduction of more variety.
In of that one cannot repeat the same LR, they will have to introduce a new one should they win LR the following round.
This introduction of this creativity and variety is a positive consequence as we are introducing a new element into the enviroment.

My stance is clear and my vote is public, but for those in opposition please consider not only the timezone you play, but the community as a whole.
Just because you do not personally face a problem does not mean the problem does not exist.

 

[CutePyro0]

However, also observe the positive aspects.
I haven't given it all to much thought yet so other positive consequences exist, but the immediate positive consequence that comes to mind is the introduction of more variety.
In of that one cannot repeat the same LR, they will have to introduce a new one should they win LR the following round.
This introduction of this creativity and variety is a positive consequence as we are introducing a new element into the enviroment.

My stance is clear and my vote is public, but for those in opposition please consider not only the timezone you play, but the community as a whole.
Just because you do not personally face a problem does not mean the problem does not exist.

Couldn't agree more with you on this

 

[Musisphaera]

So after letting this "custom lr chain" sink a bit, I got to some thinking regarding the suggestion as a whole.

Spoiler: A opinion I want to share (and I'm only speaking for myself here, not for others!)

First of all: I want to say that I personally start to dislike lr chaining recently, even if there are "differences" in the lr itself (from no rules to all the rules) and even if some/majority of the players like doing the chains.

Example: Hunger Games used to be one of my favourite lr's due to it being a "unique lr".
Now I start to dislike it due to "losing it's uniqueness" by being HEAVILY overplayed.
Losing is part of Hunger Games and I don't mind losing, even to the most powerfull classes within that minigame (there are occasions where I've won).
The thing is, I see a lot of "repeated classes + teaming" within the minigame to the point where I see the same thing happen everyday. At some points, it just becomes boring/annoying.

Now if this happens, I'll just disconnect from the server for the time being and will be doing something else.
I'll let the lr chainers have their fun in chaining this lr.

Off to this suggestion now after my opinion rant:
While I wish for variety in lr's (as stated with my opinion above), there are occasions where some lr chaining can be funny for a little moment of time.
There was a evening where Simon says lr got chained. Later that same evening other lr's are done, leaving the Simon says chain behind.

On top of that, if you have earned the lr: you have earned the lr, regardless in what way you've got it.
From being honest to being "fricking annoying as only you can do that".

Restricting this would limit some form of own saying in what you want to do with the lr (in concurrence with the rules of course) and would be a "for what" situation in my book.

To the other option in restricting the amount, I see loopholes in this.
With my reasoning above, my other suggestion would be in having it player-amount-specific.
But even then, if you get a crew together, you can still spam the crap out of that custom lr with repeated chaining.

Overal: I see problems with this suggestions as per my reasoning above and want the rules to be kept the same.

On a final note:

for those in opposition please consider not only the timezone you play, but the community as a whole.
Just because you do not personally face a problem does not mean the problem does not exist.

I 100% agree with this statement and not just for the opposition, but as well for the proposition.
Let's all just have a maturely debate when suggestions happen.

 

[trashbag266 frfrfr]

i need that hg chain stimulation
no

 

[Alexander Knyght]

The whole reason I don't play JB rn is because of LR chains. I was on twice last week and I can't stand it. It's annoying to see, it's not fair and it's not fun having it be HG every damn round. I don't care how it's settled, what you guys figure out to make it stop. I could care less if you hung the damn people who do it by their entrails on a flag pole. You have my vote, now get together and fix this nonsense.

 

[Nergal Nergalton]

While we have the two weeks left to vote, I wanna say that I've recently heard that two individuals in particular (Bugs and red) have recently been Hunger Games LR chaining with the sole purpose to annoy people. If implementing this suggestion is what it will take to get them to stop I am absolutely on board with this, and if they continue with this hopefully people will reconsider their votes with this one.

 

[Madact]

Discussion has been taken internally about this matter. Anymore feedback regarding this please message me privately via forums, discord or steam. Suggestion is declined. Please refrain from posting anymore suggestions about custom LR chaining, rules regarding custom LRs, changes about hunger games or restrictions for 2 weeks to give us time to post our own if it is needed.