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Discussion in 'Feedback' started by Thymo, Dec 6, 2016.

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  1. Thymo

    Thymo New Member

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    I see often admins this is beautiful.
    The Problem is nobody of them can ban/kick/mute/kill the right persons.
    Today (06.12.2016; 193.192.59.191:27045) I played again on the panda dodgeball server, sadly.
    TBotV63 This Admin killed me because of stealing. It´s the 3th time in about 3 months that I was killed, kicked or muted for no reason. Only because I was near the rocket? Are you kidding me? I was not stealing only tacitly standing. I asked him why he killed me and he answered I was in motion to steal the rocket? WTF?!?

    The next thing is nobody of this admins are able to tell me, where I can contact the technical admins/ owners. No gamesense no informations about the server what is this? Is it possible to hire some better admins? Some admins which are able to reply such questions?
    Yes I say it open to all, after he killed me I was really stealing, because I hate it: always I will join to try the server again and I will be killed for no reasons! This is not funny. If the situation is not changing I´m going to continue playing on other servers, because there are better admins out there.

    The only thing I have to say is sorry to TBotV63, that I was stealing after his kill performed at me. But still this admin have no gamesense...

    And some more informations about me, I´m an admin on a different dodgeball Server (Huhla Server; Dodgeball arena by Clanwars.cz). I had some few other Servers, too. I play since 5 years DB. Therefore, I know when its ok to kick/kill/mute/ban someone. I wish this will change here, too.
     
  2. Ron

    Ron Developer
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    So, you got slayed for stealing but you didn't?

    @TBotV63@TBotV63
     
  3. TBotV63

    TBotV63 Gameserver Admin
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    Different rules, different community. You stole and you attempted to steal and I warned you. And you come here to complain about a slay? Every once in a while it does happen that I slay someone because I saw something incorrectly. That doesn't mean that you can flip out in chat, insulting the community and its staff. Noone will take you seriously like that. Quite frankly I am unsure what purpose this thread serves.

    Also, if you are going to complain about the admins here every time you turn up in your childish way, then I suggest you find another place to play. This isn't your community and these aren't your rules to make or break.

    Also, I was very well able to tell you how to contact Kevin. I told you to go to the forums, which is where we are now. There is no need to be able to call someone who has access to plugins and configs from withing the game.

    Maybe next time you think you were killed without any reason you can discuss it with the admin in a civil way, instead of this. If you act like a 5yo you'll be treated like one and won't be taken seriously.
     
  4. Thymo

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  5. Thymo

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    So now to you.
    You will flip out, as you wrote, if you are going to be killed on every join to the server, too.
    I stole after you killed me for no reason so why are you telling it now the wrong way?
    Other rules? Kidding, right? There is a rule to not steal, and I heavily respect that rule because on my dodgeball server and on the server where I´m an admin there exists the same rules.
    Yes I know that no one is going to take me seriously, because I´m only a player and not an admin like you... RIP word.

    I´m turning the thing into childish way, you didn´t say that. I want to give the owners a hint, to check the admins, before hiring some of them. Not all admins are like this. Is it the wrong way to write in the forum to give hints to make something better? Ok, last post from me.

    But the need for the !call plugin is here or what. Tell me the difference! The plugin is coded for the purpose to contact the admins.

    Tried it. If this will happen one time: Yeah I have not a problem with it, admins can sometimes make mistakes, but for me it happens more than one time. All three times, the admins thought they made the correct decisions, so no chance to handle it the civil way as you wrote. You thought it was valid to kill me for no reason so I have to contact some other to discuss about it...

    Sorry I´m not into wysiwyg editors. Excuse me for maybe quoting wrong or stuff like that.
     
  6. EvoWarrior5

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    Steam:
    This is the first thread you make though, and it's ... well, it's this. It's not really a proper admin report. If an admin is not doing their job correctly this needs to be brought to the community's attention. Properly. You can't not do anything and then expect the community to magically be aware of every move the staff makes. That's not how it works. Which you should know. The community has demoted admins before when they were displaying abrasive behaviour or did not perform to adequate standards. TBot however has not had a single report that I am aware of. If there was a problem with him, people should have brought it up. With some evidence, preferably.
     
  7. Thymo

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    So I in future I dont need to list all the single points of failure. All the bad things have no place to be reported. This is what you said me right now. A community works like this. No sry but there you are completely wrong.
     
  8. EvoWarrior5

    EvoWarrior5 Well-Known Member
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    Steam:
    I'm ... Literally ... Whaaaaa-...

    I'm not sure how you can misinterpret a post that badly, to be honest. I guess I'll spell it out.

    This indicates that I want you to make a proper admin report.

    VERY explicitly saying that I want people to report admins who don't do their job well. "Properly" means I criticise yours for not being done properly.

    AGAIN saying that I want you to report admins when needed. Telling you that the community cannot be aware of this without the help of the players.

    Indicating that the community has worked with good reports before. Once again making clear how useful they can be if done right.

    Indicating why this one thread is not adequate.

    How do you read past all that and just say "So I shouldn't try to help with my thread which has no evidence and sounds childish, k xddd"

    ??
     
  9. Thymo

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    If you are the expert tell me how to make a proper report in your eyes. I thought the forum is the right way. All the admins told me it´s the right way. I have a problem with persons who are blocking things. Nobody could tell me exactly how to report it the valid way. I say it again your post is not helpful, because you told me what I made wrong, but how it´s done the right way is not possible to say or what?
     
  10. EvoWarrior5

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    Steam:
    For starters, the tone is not very good. For instance: "Nobody can punish the right people", "WTF", "check the admins, before hiring some of them" "Yes I know that no one is going to take me seriously, because I´m only a player and not an admin like you... RIP word."

    Then, there is no evidence. This is okay, we can't expect everyone to record all day - and note how Ron tried to take your word seriously. But then you need to understand that we can't just take your word and if we want reason to investigate the matter, we'd need to have heard from more than one person as I said before.

    They're fairly minor points, but they add up and strengthen each other. If you don't have evidence, you can't put up that tone. Or nobody can take you seriously indeed.
     
  11. Thymo

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    Yes so now I continue playing and take the kills/ban/mutes or what ever? Neat alternatives which you gave me here. Still no informations in your post which will help me furthermore. Writing a report the correct way or gaving me possible hints to prevent such actions from the admin side. Nothing from your side. So please stop writing down the standard templates. I want methods exact details or what ever to prevent it. Nobody could give it to me all are fixing at the one point "childrish way". No evidence? You are kidding me right? All MY messages are filtered but no way to see his actions. His messages are filtered out his kill against me was filtered out. This is one way propaganda. No overview over the situation. Only presented the admin side for all the other forum members to blanket the nothing knowing newcomer. This is the right way as you wrote to handle players like me. I understand it now.
     
  12. EvoWarrior5

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    Well what am I supposed to say against Tbot? The only things he could have done are things which are invisible to me. But I can clearly see what's wrong with your posts, so that's what I respond to.

    If you don't like the fact that the community needs proper evidence to take action against an admin, then I don't know what can be done for you. Imagine someone coming to the forum of wherever you're admin on and saying you're doing a bad job. What would you like the owners to do? Just demote you? What is your image behind a community, exactly?
     
  13. TBotV63

    TBotV63 Gameserver Admin
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    After rewatching the demo I did make a mistake. I'm sorry about that.

    But after your insulting, rude and childish rant in chat I felt less than inclined to respawn you or look into the matter further. Being slain 3 times in 3 months without having done anything is not a whole lot. And certainly not enough to warrant your reaction. Also I doubt a lot of people who regularly play on eudb would agree with your point on me "not having any gamesense" and not doing my job well properly. And if I do make a mistake I apologize and respawn the affected player.

    But if you choose to go on the kind of rant you did insulting not only me (i don't give a damn about that), but the collective staff and the community then I can't take you seriously.

    Nope. What I posted was only your chat, which got you the gag and which is the reason why I didn't bother looking further into that slay. It has nothing to do with the slay itsself, it all happened after anyway.

    I (and I'm sure all other admins) will respawn you and apologize when politely told that they made a mistake. If you fly off the handle and then actually start breaking the rules noone will take you seriously.

    I didn't ban you. I gagged you because of how you acted after the slay, verbally lashing out against the community, staff and other players.

    TL;DR: I'm sorry about that mistake, chill out and tell me next time and I'll fix it instead of flying off the handle like that.

    PS: You should stop acting as if this was some kind of conspiracy against you.
     
  14. [ΛКФÐ] Zyphon

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    From what I see and know of Tbot, he is a very sensible admin and doesn't slay or kick without reason. However mistakes can be made and a steal does happen and seems fair if the rocket comes straight at you when it is someone else's, but this generally gets accepted once or twice and even by other players on the server; so what it seems to be is that you might have been stealing more than a fair few times which is what has resulted in these kicks and slays. The simpler option is just don't steal full stop...
     
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  15. klay

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    y u heff to bump :-(
     
  16. Zushikikato Wolfeh

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    Could you not necrobump something from over 4 months
     
  17. TBotV63

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    It's only 4 months old, c'mon
     
  18. Cryptic

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    Despite it being only 4 months, it's unnecessary to reply to a situation that has already been taken care of, especially when the OP, Thymo, was last seen over 8 weeks ago.
     
  19. TBotV63

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    Crypt pls I was joking. Why u gotta be so serious :kappa:
     
  20. Cryptic

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    You have to improve your sarcasm. Maybe throw in a kappa or two :kappa:

    Anyway, I'm going to close this thread because the situation has been handled, and future replies are unnecessary.

    Closed.
     
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