Declined Vote-kick (Debate) (1 Viewer)

[Pricholas]

Someone asked me why the common player doesn't have an option to cast a vote kick.
"so we can remove people who are CLEARLY script\aimbot users from the game?"

I agree that the average player is powerless when it comes to someone causing lots of trouble.
However I think the ability to kick any player would most definitely be abused in the wrong hands. It would also be a temporary solution when it comes to someone who is genuinely hacking.

I'm only creating this post to see what everyone else has to say.
Did Panda once upon a time have a vote kick feature?
Would Panda benefit from a new plugin for player vote kicking?

 

[Husky]

Well for one, easily abusable tbh and it can be used to falsely kick someone who might play/look like they are hacking when all they have is just skill to completely dominate the server making him a "hacker"
Though this is just a possibility, it could happen.
Another thing is that people would vote kick and when the admin comes, the hacker is already kicked, maybe even while the admin is just loading into the game, it could be poorly timed and the hacker might get away.

 

[Magglet]

I completely disagree with you @Husky, you seem to have little faith that some players won't stick up for the person if they aren't guilty. Personally I think places like vsh need when the admins are busy/unavailable we need to ability to kick afk hales or afk players. Or in general a vote gag that would work great for players speaking a foreign langauge or mic spamming on trade. Yeah It could be abused in some cases but its definately worth considering

 

[Husky]

I do have little faith in players, especially on a server with the vote feature. You might as well ban everyone if you are going to add a voting feature. You're pretty much giving admin-like powers to players who would probably never get admin. If more than half of the player base doesn't like you, you might as well leave because you will probably be banned etc etc. Trust me, I'm not just spewing out this shit cause I don't want it, it's just the fact that I have seen it happen on some servers, and if you think there will be no trolls who will well.. troll then I don't know what to say.

 

[Magglet]

Do you not think it would require more than half the server to have someone kicked? Idk I feel like if you are hated that much by the server there is probably a reason why. I appreciate there will be some kinks and maybe votekicks shouldnt be used as a stack for other punishments but I dont think it would be bad for certain servers with honest player bases.

 

[Zeprus]

I agree with Husky, votekick(-ban/-silence) for regular players or even only donators is an absolute no-go. Every time I have seen servers with it it has been abused constantly. The probably biggest issue with it is that people just press any option to get it off their screen. Not to mention the huge influence people using voicechat have on the vote etc. Also votekicking doesn't do very much since the player can rejoin. It might help on arena based gamemode like VSH, Dodgeball and Jailbreak but on all other servers it would require a voteban to be effective.

 

[PNN]

This really depends on what server tho. Jailbreak who are already chaotic would have probably been abused, but VSH I think it might have been working. Of course, this is just my opinion. I would love to see if VSH could have tested this.

 

[Travis]

Speaking from experience on JB, It's a no from me. I've seen too many times that someone new from another community comes on and dies due to rules being different, strict guards, ect. and saying "Freekill!" in chat followed by a "!votekick" and/or a "!voteban". Meaning this in the best way possible, but I wouldn't trust some if not most of the players on JB with this feature. (Of course there are some players that are an exception, but for the players who don't come on regularly, they would abuse the hell out of it.)

 

[Vecomti]

I do have little faith in players, especially on a server with the vote feature. You might as well ban everyone if you are going to add a voting feature.

dictatorman

Enabling votekick or voteban could get abused on community servers where there is an active playerbase, with regulars, but they would know better than to abuse such a feature, and complete strangers most likely wont abuse it, as it's usually never abused in Valve servers

 

[Spam Goose]

If you were to enable vote kick and/or vote ban, do not add vote ban, that would be a horrible idea. I think it would be smart to have vote kick, so if an admin can't get on to ban said player, the players can kick him instead, so they don't have to deal with him breaking rules

 

[Pricholas]

I made sure not to mention vote ban for many good reasons, mostly because it's the administration's job to issue bans when needed. Vote ban is a nasty tool that would most definitely cause problems, and muck up an honest players ban history. No way that's getting added, this is why we have a player report section.
My post is strictly about vote kick, because as mentioned, the player can rejoin and it doesn't negatively impact their history with the server.

as it's usually never abused in Valve servers

lmao, you use the word "usually" as a safety net, nice :b
I can't ignore this statement though, because it's conditionally false.
There IS a player-base that would not abuse the vote kick feature.
There IS a player-base which would abuse the vote kick feature.

I think the Valve method involves cool-down timers. Such as, after one user has cast a vote they must wait 5 minutes to cast another. Or if a user has been kicked, they must wait 5 minutes to rejoin the server. These would stack respectively to how many times they call a vote or have been kicked.

 

[Waxel]

Welp i'm fucked
5th on Dodgeball and every new player calls me hacker, i am expecting a kick every 5 minutes then?
This isn't surely convenient for skilled players like Husky said

just skill to completely dominate the server making him a "hacker"

 

[TBotV63]

I completely disagree with you Husky, you seem to have little faith that some players won't stick up for the person if they aren't guilty. Personally I think places like vsh need when the admins are busy/unavailable we need to ability to kick afk hales or afk players. Or in general a vote gag that would work great for players speaking a foreign langauge or mic spamming on trade. Yeah It could be abused in some cases but its definately worth considering

Some? You need the majority to be on your side to be safe. Having two players who know me defend me isn't helpful if the remaining players are absolutely convinced I am "cheating", "aimbotting" and have "auto air", stuff I get to hear quite often.

 

[Geronimo]

This is short and sweet:


bad idea
very abusable
just gather info and file report
takes like 5 minutes if you already had the proof

 

[Dominoose]

For a person like me that creates a ton of reports (not lately), it can be a pain.
This would not only save a lot of time for the players but for the admins as well, as once they see that the player has been vote kicked enough times they could take matters into their own hands. Not to mention if there’s no admins online for that specific server at least SOMETHING is being done about it.

I understand where everyone is coming from in terms of abusive behavior which is why I suggest you could prevent it from being abused if the player has been kicked 3 times and it will result in a ban, just like how the admins warn players and then punish them. Votes are not always accurate and sometimes there won’t be enough votes to kick the player, which is why having the option to kick 3 times before the ban is more practical.

 

[yaso]

This is a terrible idea and will be abused a lot especially on jb for example: I was playing on jb ny and people started to accuse me of freekill and denying the lr because I didn't do the lr saying: "the warden has to sing every order" and they accused me of freekill because I killed someone that obviously vandalised and delayed and of course there were multiple people trying to use !votekick and !voteban, another example is someone with a younger voice, the moment I joined jb and used my mic no joke I got 4 people trying to use !votekick this stopped when I became a regular and people knew me but I do occasionally get someone trying to vote kick me.

(Note: jb ny pretty much has its own rules like allowing unfair trivia and some other things that go against the rules)

 

[Pricholas]

. . .as once they see that the player has been vote kicked enough times they could take matters into their own hands. . .

(Someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
I'm fairly positive there is no way to see the prior kicks associated with any player.
This thread is purely hypothetical, and the last thing Panda would want is two more plugins, one for kicking, and the other to "listkicks."

I believe the current consensus is mixed, more are against, but a handful are willing to say it's not the worst idea.
If false kicking were a new thing, it would surely be added to the list of things admins will need to handle calls for.
Ultimately it is the community and mass of random players that dictate the actions on any server.
Which is why it is a pretty terrible idea xD

 

[yaso]

Well maybe add a poll.

 

[Dominoose]

(Someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
I'm fairly positive there is no way to see the prior kicks associated with any player.

I was under the impression that there was no method but the developers could add a feature like it. Not saying we should rely on the developers for anything because it might not even be possible, but like you said it’s hypothetical.

 

[Waxel]

Well maybe add a poll.

Maybe only for FF2 and VSH? Dodgeball doesn't need that neither other servers