Accepted Gagged and muted (1 Viewer)

[EvoWarrior5]

It's sad how the attitude around here is usually "Give 0 fucks if you are morally right or not. Only the rules matter"

Essentially, an admin's job is to decide 'does the situation at hand require administrative intervention?'. The answer will be 'yes' if one or more players are behaving in ways deemed inappropriate by community standards. The ruleset is like the moral code which the staff attempts to uphold. When I wrote the current ruleset - or much of it - I purposefully left a great many things up to interpretation in using phrases like "deemed irritating". This adds an interpretative dimension for the staff team, so moral standards definitely do matter.

Given the fact that hardly anyone ever suggests rule changes or changes in the way the admins operate, I think it is a safe assumption that the vast majority of cases are resolved well. Usually when people complain it is for faulty reasons. And when it isn't, the admins have shown to learn from those cases.

I'm guessing that Akram's initial comment spawned from my talking about protocols. I don't mean to say "THE WAY THINGS ARE NOW IS PERFECT". All I meant was that, if the player was told to take it to the forums and did not listen to this in such a way that it caused further irritation, it was probably not a faulty decision to move to further punishment by current standards. I am trying to have this specific case here lead to further reflection on these current standards - not pose them as absolute.

 

[TBotV63]

I don't want to deviate this topic from its purpose even more, so i'll be on shoutbox for anymore discussion. That being said, how does talking to you hinders your work? it annoyed you.

I suggest you try administrating dodgeball while typing in chat to someone who is complaining in mic in a sarcastic undertone, without even having the slightest chance of getting your point across because they don't want to see your side.

it didn't hinder your work. your work is to listen to players, help them, make things better.

Yes, and my assessment of the situation was that ungagging him would not make things better.

As for it fits the definition of spam, like i said, only rules matter, right?

If someone is deliberately provoking, yes.

do you think there was an easy scenario in which you can convince him not to spam and figure a solution with no further issues?

No, I don't. Otherwise I would've done so. Because I can't be bothered to discuss these things on an appeal thread either, now imagine that!

Do you think that maybe he spammed because u refused to listen?

So, if you don't get what you want you start fake crying in voice and then expect people to react? Doesn't work, does it. It doesn't really matter why. I'm always open for a sincere discussion, but I'm not open for sarcastic whining that is only there to provoke some sort of reaction. He got a reaction, he was muted.

 

[Madact]

I said I wasn't going to get involved but I thought I should at least say what I thought from an outside perspective looking into the evidence.

Tbot has given me a demo. I watched the demo, I've read the thread. There are certain things which confuse me hence why I hope you don't mind me asking Callum and Ekin.

When watching the demo, I noticed that callum's name was similar to a players on the server. Why is that? Did you know the player?
Also when that oWn deathkiller guy came in you turned our attentions to him. Why? Do you know him? Why did that guy laugh when you got gagged and muted?

It's fishy looking at it. Also clever play. Without answers to the questions above, I'm assuming Ekin and Callum are baiting players to get triggered. But since I don't know what is the standing with players as I do not going on dodgeball it's difficult to tell what is banter or not.
For example if I had come on and saw this I wouldn't of gagged. I may have warned if the insulting from that other person continued beyond from what they said but that's about it.

So basically I said to Tbot I didn't agree with the gag, but I do agree with the mute and here is why.
Basically when Ekin got gagged, he came on mircophone. In a sarcastic tone, started to ask why his gag was placed, how it was fair and that he would go on the forums. Tbot then tells him to take it to the forums. He continues with the statements (in variation, keep in mind I watched it last night) so Tbot warns him telling him to drop it. He does drop it, but after I dunno...1 minute? It starts again. Tbot then had the right to mute you as you didn't listen to the admin who had it clear that you should be taking this to the forums and dropping it. You where clearly aware that the forums exist, and here you all are
^^^ Wanted to add there is a rule for listening to admins.

TLDR; I don't agree with gag, but I agree with mute. With keeping in mind what was going on was deliberate from Ekin and Callum towards other players.

Also

It happened on many repports i saw recently.

Mind telling me which reports? Preferable in PM.

 

[EvoWarrior5]

@Madact so you don't think looking at the chatlog that the player was at least rightfully accused of spam, even if you don't think the sarcasm was any problem?

 

[Sentinel]

So basically I said to Tbot I didn't agree with the gag, but I do agree with the mute and here is why.
Basically when Ekin got gagged, he came on mircophone.

In retrospect, completely understandable.

When watching the demo, I noticed that callum's name was similar to a players on the server. Why is that? Did you know the player?

To which, out of curiosity, there were three possible people. killer_CZ was me and The Killer_CZ was Callum

oWn deathkiller guy came in you turned our attentions to him. Why? Do you know him? Why did that guy laugh when you got gagged and muted? .

Again, he was related to us, he likes our pain. :^)


I'll reiterate this because I don't think it's been made clear enough.

This was - for the majority - internal banter between us. We only shifted aim when provoked.

 

[Madact]

@EvoWarrior5 I didn't think what they doing was spam as it varied(Personally, pls no bully). The sarcasm was just me explaining the tone of the voice, it has nothing to do with why I thought his mute was valid. I said I think the mute is valid is because he didn't stop when the admin told him to take it to the forums and then told him to stop. He then continued, so I believe that warranted a mute as we have a rule for that.

@Sentinel Wait, was oWn deathkiller apart of your group? xD

Meh we need a conclusion. But it's not up to me. I believe @Lighty and @TBotV63 need to come up with the end result. My opinion is just there. Might be shit, but I like getting involved...Maybe a little too much

 

[Sentinel]

@Sentinel Wait, was oWn deathkiller apart of your group? xD

He indeed was, however really wasn't involved and really made the best decision out of all of us and decided not to escalate the situation.


Actually I was gonna post this earlier but I forgot; What we did collectively was technically not coordinated by us at all, it just so happened we ended up doing the same thing. The only two people in Discord were me and Ekin. I believe I speak for all of us when I say that.

 

[ekin]

So basically I said to Tbot I didn't agree with the gag, but I do agree with the mute and here is why.
Basically when Ekin got gagged, he came on mircophone. In a sarcastic tone, started to ask why his gag was placed, how it was fair and that he would go on the forums. Tbot then tells him to take it to the forums. He continues with the statements (in variation, keep in mind I watched it last night) so Tbot warns him telling him to drop it. He does drop it, but after I dunno...1 minute? It starts again. Tbot then had the right to mute you as you didn't listen to the admin who had it clear that you should be taking this to the forums and dropping it. You where clearly aware that the forums exist, and here you all are
^^^ Wanted to add there is a rule for listening to admins.

TLDR; I don't agree with gag, but I agree with mute.

I wanted to respond to this and say that if the gag didn't happen, that I wouldn't have said anything via the microphone. I did it because I was annoyed that I got gagged for no valid reason. I guess I can understand the mute, but as I said, it wouldn't have happened if the gag didn't happen.

And about the banter, as Sentinel said, it was all between us guys. We didn't plan on doing this and definitely weren't trying to get people triggered, we were just having fun among eachother.

 

[TBotV63]

As far as I'm concerned the gag can go, the mute stays (It's expired anyway). I'd just appreciate if you kept the volume of said banter between eachother lower next time (especially if it's not immediately apparent). So, unless anyone has any further objections I'd appreciate if someone could accept this and lift the gag. Cheers.

 

[Sentinel]

As far as I'm concerned the gag can go, the mute stays (It's expired anyway). I'd just appreciate if you kept the volume of said banter between eachother lower next time (especially if it's not immediately apparent).

Understood, thanks. We'll bear that in mind.

 

[Madact]

I've lifted the gag. The mute is still listed as valid.

So half accepted I guess? Lmao.
Anyways I'll close this up now.