Completed A warning before punishement (1 Viewer)

[AkramTheReaperPanda]

Adding a rule:
An admin has to give a warning at least once, before punishement. An admin doesn't have to give a second warning if the player was ever warned before ( This extends to 99999 years ).

 

[Cryptic]

Isn't this an unspoken rule to begin with?

Edit: This rule does not apply to hackers, nor players who advertise hacks. Excessive insulting, racial slurs, and !call abuse aren't tolerated as well.

 

[klay]

What about hackers

 

[EvoWarrior5]

@Cryptic I'm not sure what the last discussion on this was and what was decided, but for quite some time now several people have stated that they feel that warnings are optional. So the unspoken rule seems to vary from person to person.

EDIT: hackers definitely should not be warned, and I also think there are more cases in which no warnings should be given. For example, someone exploits in VSH, getting to a spot which Hale cannot get to, and sits there for 15 minutes before an admin joins after a !call. Then fuck that idiot. Ban that shit. Don't just slap them. BAN. BAN!!
(sorry)

 

[AkramTheReaperPanda]

@klay i support adding an exception for hackers

 

[iceviet]

i always though we had to warn people first i think that is for every admin different

 

[Puddin]

Or, you know, read the rules and don't expect people to baby you when you go and break them.

Bitching about admins doing their job seems to be a trend now.

 

[klay]

There are rare occasions when I punish without warning (e.g. I get call for chatspam, I check log and it's trash). It should be a quality of an admin to be able to decide when to punish. You also don't warn people reported on the forums.

 

[Speneth]

I hope this isn't just a troll thread...

@klay i support adding an exception for hackers

 

[AkramTheReaperPanda]

Or, you know, read the rules and don't expect people to baby you when you go and break them.

Bitching about admins doing their job seems to be a trend now.

1-Players are humans and make mistakes. They can be tired, having a bad day, clicked by mistake before they finish reading, forgot...
2-Stop saying that anyone that doesn't agree with you is: "whining, crying, bitching".

 

[Speneth]

They can be tired, having a bad day, clicked by mistake before they finish reading, forgot

"They can hack by mistake"

 

[AkramTheReaperPanda]

"They can hack by mistake"

1-i said i support an exception for hacking
2-you ignored everything else

 

[TBotV63]

New There are rare occasions when I punish without warning (e.g. I get call for chatspam, I check log and it's trash). It should be a quality of an admin to be able to decide when to punish. You also don't warn people reported on the forums.

This.

Players are humans and make mistakes. They can be tired, having a bad day, clicked by mistake before they finish reading, forgot...

I think most admins will meet trivial and honest mistakes with leniency, however I personally don't have anything over for people who take their bad day out on others on the server.

 

[Speneth]

@klay i support adding an exception for hackers

Woops I kept reading that as you support the 1 warning policy proposal for hackers, my bad.

 

[Patmosphere]

-Players are humans and make mistakes.

I agree in part with the phrase stated by him. I remember myself converting an hacker on Hightower in those last times. He was low-scored when I joined. None was aware of who I was. So I decided to give a look into the server just for fun. And I found 3 hackers. One of them (the guy I'm talking about), was keeping the hacking at low. He wasn't shooting or fighting in general, anything in a nutshell. He had 5 points on the scoreboard and when I looked in his session, he was on the server since two hours.
After I banned the two partybreakers, I told him (since he wasn't showing anything illegal, like "third-party-tools actions") to de-activate the hacks he had (Most of the players were telling me he was an hacker as well since he had some kind of tickling behind the movements).
He listened to me and after I have acknowledged him, he asked a thing before leaving the server. He would to gain the gibus hat (rofl, that's another thing), so just in sign of back respect for listening to me, I gave him what he wanted. Then he left. He was afraid for how he behaved, he told on the server.
So, I partially accept the "re-shape" of the rule "ban for hacking". It depends for every situation.

Maybe, I wrote some dumb crap. I beg for your forgive if so. Too drunk to survive in the wild world of the threads

 

[Puddin]

1-Players are humans and make mistakes. They can be tired, having a bad day, clicked by mistake before they finish reading, forgot...
2-Stop saying that anyone that doesn't agree with you is: "whining, crying, bitching".

1; If you go on-line when you're "having a bad day" or "tired" and decide that other people deserve to hear you complain or spam or have to handle with you rule breaking, maybe, just maybe you should re-think your life.
2; What would you call it? You are complaining about an admin or multiple admins doing their job in the community.

Do you also need a warning AFTER the warning before the punishment?
Hint: the warning before the punishment is the little rule menu that shows up when you connect to the server.


Maybe not related to the topic at hand but;

A warning before the punishment didn't seem to work for you? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[EvoWarrior5]

Yes, people have emotions and can step out of line. I am sometimes not sure if I'm going a bit too far with what I say in-game. Things aren't always quite as simple as "just don't do it? xD". People get caught up in the game and aren't keeping all rules in mind at all times. I camped under the control point in cp_nucleus quite a few times in VSH before I considered that what I was doing might be considered as wasting time before I asked iceviet what he thought. I know I'd sure appreciate a little message instead of an insta ban.

His own punishments may detract from his credibility, but it does not make his suggestion any less valid. He just came to the forum and is already helping with major structural changes. Who else does that kind of stuff? People rarely do.

 

[Kevin]

What about hackers

execluding some obvious stuff.

 

[Madact]

Who's going to watch us? What if I give my warning in admin chat, but the person appeals and says I didn't and I can't prove my warning? What about player reports? Do they have to have warnings in them now to make them valid? Do you expect an admin to give personal warnings or general warnings? Do regular player warnings provide a valid warning or not? How do we keep track of these warnings? What if they forget the warning? What if we forget the warning? o.o

I don't like this because it's just an excuse for people to have more of an edge on us. The servers itself has measures to make you aware of the rules and you accept them because it's your responsibility if you break them. So if an admin gives a warning, they're generally doing it because we aren't all evil hermits in a basement planning to catch out people who couldn't be bothered to read.

TLDR ; We all ready do it. Please don't make it a rule, I don't want to be demoted because I didn't give a regular a warning because I thought he'd know the rules by now seeing as though he has played on the servers for 5 days.

 

[Zeprus]

Edit: This rule does not apply to hackers, nor players who advertise hacks.

This I still think is incredibly stupid. It is a somewhat unusual rules as in it's not obvious that it's against the rules compared to e.g insulting. On top of that this rule isn't mentioned anywhere on the server. We cannot expect every single player to visit the forums before continuing to play. Also, most players stop this after being warned. It's not a problem with ones personality as it might be the case with actual cheaters or excessive insulting. It barely differs from spamming the chat.

Hint: the warning before the punishment is the little rule menu that shows up when you connect to the server.

The menu does not always show up when entering the server. Thus new players might miss it.

Who's going to watch us? What if I give my warning in admin chat, but the person appeals and says I didn't and I can't prove my warning?

That's a great question. But it has a rather simple answer, should it happen frequently that players complain about not being warned @Kevin could simply check the logs on future occasions. If anything this would help sorting out unsuitable admins.

What about player reports? Do they have to have warnings in them now to make them valid?

I would say there is a difference. If an admin is on the server telling a player to stop whatever he is doing i.e. warning him should always be the first step. He might not be aware that he is doing something wrong. However we can not expect players to take warnings they receive from other players serious. There are enough people spreading false information. Thus the only way to deal with that is to apply a punishment and let the player know he was punished.

What if they forget the warning?

I used to warn regular players 3 to 4 times given there was some time between their mistakes. After that I stopped and applied punishments immediatly, it seemed to work out fine. Most regulars didn't repeat their mistakes at all.

The servers itself has measures to make you aware of the rules and you accept them because it's your responsibility if you break them.

The rulelists on the servers are very infrequent and incomplete and as mentioned earlier. I think one can't expect every player to visit the forums and read the complete list.